• @nonailsleft@lemm.ee
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    211 hours ago

    clearly started it by settling the other one’s territory

    That’s a very simplistic take on the history

    • @deathtomurica@lemmy.wtf
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      12 hours ago

      What you’re gonna claim the jews were from there because the italians deported them 2 millenium ago?

      That is simplistic lmao

      Anyway even after the oslo agrement the palestinian agreed to put down their weapons. Israel still took the west bank. Simple facts.

    • @WanderingVentra@lemm.ee
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      38 hours ago

      It’s not simplistic, it’s factual. It’s more complicated than some people think, but way more simple than Zionists make it look, who try to I jegt artificial nuance to make people look away. And it’s worked up until the internet has made it easier to see the genocide than ever before. I’d recommend looking into the British Mandate of Palestine, how a state was promised to Palestinians than reneged by the West to keep the Middle East in chaos, Herzl and the history of Jewish immigration to Israel (and alternative places they were considering like Africa), and the Nakba. Someone around here has a lot of good links, too. I’d also recommend looking into the US, Canadian, and Australian history to find out what settler colonialism is and see how it applies to Palestine.

      • @nonailsleft@lemm.ee
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        16 hours ago

        What would you say to the zionist jews that were already living in Palestine? Or to those in neighbouring states of the Ottoman empire that moved within those borders to find a place with less oppression? Did they ‘colonize’ their own country?

        What would you say to someone that survived a pogrom in Russia and migrated the remains of their family to a collectivist farm in an empty piece of desert, merely as survival because they had nowhere else to go?

        There’s a lot of nuance to be found if you are willing to look a little deeper into it

        • @Keeponstalin@lemmy.world
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          15 hours ago

          They weren’t Zionist just because they were Jewish people. They integrated into Palestinian society, they did not ethnically cleanse the Territory like the early Zionists.

          • @nonailsleft@lemm.ee
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            13 hours ago

            There were jews already living there that wanted their muslim and christian neighbours replaced with jews, and there were jewish immigrants that were happy to build a kibbutz out in the desert and trade with their Arab neighbours.

            What of the jews that were ethnically cleansed out of their Arab and North African countries? Where should they have moved?