What I’m saying is a principle I apply to all groups of people. I try not to hold different moral standards just because I find someone to be reprehensible.
Whatever principle you allege to hold is currently having you defend peoples’ “right” to try to enslave other people without being punched in the teeth for even suggesting as much and you should really stop doing that, whatever the reason.
Whatever principle you allege to hold is currently having you defend peoples’ “right” to try to enslave other people
This is false. I have said numerous times that when I decry violent reprisal, I’m talking about advocacy, not action. I hope you’re not lying about this on purpose to try to discredit me.
Enslaving people is bad.
I’m not sure why you think I disagree with this, considering I’ve explicitly said so myself in this thread.
If you’re arguing about it here, then you are. No ifs ands or buts.
There doesn’t need to be another thread about advocacy for you to go to, there’s the phrase “There’s a time and a place for everything”. This is not the time or the place unless you want to be advocating for slavery.
And sorry, there really isn’t a way around to argue around it. You are advocating for slavery by defending people who advocate for it.
This is an absurdly black-and-white way of looking at morality. Saying that pro-slavery people shouldn’t be assaulted is not by any stretch the same as being pro-slavery oneself.
I think I have a good way to illustrate this, actually. What do you think about, say, torturing pro-slavery people? Or perhaps their families?
It’s possible you think torturing them and their families is going too far. This “too far” feeling would be you defending them just as much as I am; you don’t support slavery, but that doesn’t mean you think any conceivable misfortune should be inflicted on them. Likewise, contrary to what you say, I don’t support slavery but still don’t think certain actions against them are justified.
For the mob boss example, I would say that while it’s still not violence, per se, it still poses enough of a risk to warrant violent reprisal.
So for the advocacy of slavery example, an acceptable use of violent reprisal would have to be directed at someone who is truly influential enough for their suggestion (or “suggestion,” as the case may be,) to reasonably constitute an actual threat.
The only person I can think of who may qualify on the American Right is Trump, because of the whole January 6th insurrection. Clearly some of his followers are keen on violence at his mere suggestion. As far as I’m aware, though, nobody has openly advocated for slavery.
You’re sounding real Duncan McLeod of the Clan McLeod from season 3, episode 19 of Highlander, The Series right now and you should stop it.
Advocacy for slavery is itself violence and you should stop defending it.
We should not have a society where people attempt to enslave other humans (which is at all stages an act of violence).
Using violence to bring about a world where people are not enslaved is just, funny, good, awesome, laudable, recommended, and the way decent humans go about this “life” thing.
What I’m saying is a principle I apply to all groups of people. I try not to hold different moral standards just because I find someone to be reprehensible.
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Whatever principle you allege to hold is currently having you defend peoples’ “right” to try to enslave other people without being punched in the teeth for even suggesting as much and you should really stop doing that, whatever the reason.
Enslaving people is bad.
This is false. I have said numerous times that when I decry violent reprisal, I’m talking about advocacy, not action. I hope you’re not lying about this on purpose to try to discredit me.
I’m not sure why you think I disagree with this, considering I’ve explicitly said so myself in this thread.
There’s such a thing as trying too hard, and choosing your hills to die on.
Reading the room as well
If you wanna fight for advocacy, but you choose the thread that’s all about slavery, that says a lot about you.
Is there another thread about the morality of advocacy that I could go to instead?
Plus, you’re still acting as if I’ve said that advocating for slavery is good or acceptable.
If you’re arguing about it here, then you are. No ifs ands or buts.
There doesn’t need to be another thread about advocacy for you to go to, there’s the phrase “There’s a time and a place for everything”. This is not the time or the place unless you want to be advocating for slavery.
And sorry, there really isn’t a way around to argue around it. You are advocating for slavery by defending people who advocate for it.
This is an absurdly black-and-white way of looking at morality. Saying that pro-slavery people shouldn’t be assaulted is not by any stretch the same as being pro-slavery oneself.
I think I have a good way to illustrate this, actually. What do you think about, say, torturing pro-slavery people? Or perhaps their families?
It’s possible you think torturing them and their families is going too far. This “too far” feeling would be you defending them just as much as I am; you don’t support slavery, but that doesn’t mean you think any conceivable misfortune should be inflicted on them. Likewise, contrary to what you say, I don’t support slavery but still don’t think certain actions against them are justified.
You still haven’t given an answer to the mob boss example.
I’m not sure what you’re talking about. I may have missed a reply somewhere; I’ll try to find it.
Oh, I see. Thank you for showing me that again.
For the mob boss example, I would say that while it’s still not violence, per se, it still poses enough of a risk to warrant violent reprisal.
So for the advocacy of slavery example, an acceptable use of violent reprisal would have to be directed at someone who is truly influential enough for their suggestion (or “suggestion,” as the case may be,) to reasonably constitute an actual threat.
The only person I can think of who may qualify on the American Right is Trump, because of the whole January 6th insurrection. Clearly some of his followers are keen on violence at his mere suggestion. As far as I’m aware, though, nobody has openly advocated for slavery.
You’re sounding real Duncan McLeod of the Clan McLeod from season 3, episode 19 of Highlander, The Series right now and you should stop it.
Advocacy for slavery is itself violence and you should stop defending it.
We should not have a society where people attempt to enslave other humans (which is at all stages an act of violence).
Using violence to bring about a world where people are not enslaved is just, funny, good, awesome, laudable, recommended, and the way decent humans go about this “life” thing.
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