Hi,

I am (very, very early) in the process of degoogling. I am definitely not a high risk as far as needing to be completely locked down. It’s more about trying to have a little more control over how my data is used.

I am looking at Graphene OS, but I am a little confused how certain apps (that rely on Google services) work. I have a Pixel 8 and will have it for the foreseeable future.

The apps I currently use that I would still need (or their equivalents) are:

  • Clash Royale (Supercell)
  • Notion (Notion Labs)
  • Clickup (Mango Technologies)
  • Business Calendar 2 (Appgenix)

  1. If I installed these exact apps “sandboxed”, what exactly does that mean from a user standpoint? Will I have to use a separate account, reboot my phone, etc, or is it a quick process to use the app?

  2. Is there a list of apps that I could browse to find equivalents to the above? Recommendations here are also ok.

  3. I saw that Firefox isn’t exactly private(?) and that Vanadium is better in that aspect but I don’t understand why. Can someone ELI5, and help me see if this is a relevant concern for me?

Thank you! 😁

  • @TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml
    2•3 months ago

    This goes back to sandboxing. Basically, Firefox doesn’t play nice with sandboxing. That means if Firefox gets hacked there is a greater risk of infecting the entire phone (which wouldn’t happen with proper sandboxing). Vanadium has proper sandboxing, since Chromium (what Vanadium is based off of) was made for Android.

    Think of Firefox as a metal crate with a few small holes poked in it. Those holes aren’t a huge concern, since it would take a very skilled person to climb out of the crate through those small holes, but having holes in the first place is not great since it risks letting a person out of the crate. Chromium is a metal crate without holes, no risk of anyone getting out of that box, no worries.

    Then why does the Tor Project choose Firefox over Chromium as its browser base? Chromium is incredibly insecure and full of holes. Post this wishy washy bullshit on reddit, not on Lemmy.

    • ƊƲƘЄƬӇƠƦƖƠƝ
      1•3 months ago

      Maybe TOR uses FF because it’s easier to modify for their purposes.

      Others would call that “insecure”

        • @scratchandgame@lemmy.mlTiếng Việt
          1•3 months ago

          Chromium is inadequate and bad.

          For a anonymous browser, but not for a secure browser. The paper is purely about privacy and anonymity. No security (sandboxing, mitigations) here.

            • @scratchandgame@lemmy.mlTiếng Việt
              1•3 months ago

              Chromium sandboxing means nothing when it leaks so much data.

              The attacker can’t gain access to the host with javascript.

              A browser that support javascript but doesn’t have sandboxing might not leak these data but when their are bug in their js implementation, the attacker can gain more access to the host.

              • @TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml
                1•3 months ago

                browser that support javascript but doesn’t have sandboxing

                Pretty sure that both Firefox and Chromium have sandboxing. What browser are you talking about? Also the only form of attack is not a direct browser script attack. It can also be used to extract metadata, which is used to attack someone in other ways or through other software or OS.

                I think you need to learn to debate coherently on internet, and work on weird ideas you have formed in your head around security.

                • @scratchandgame@lemmy.mlTiếng Việt
                  1•3 months ago

                  It can also be used to extract metadata, which is used to attack someone in other ways or through other software or OS.

                  Threat model. Regular user aren’t attacked this way?

    • @scratchandgame@lemmy.mlTiếng Việt
      1•3 months ago

      Then why does the Tor Project choose Firefox over Chromium as its browser base? Chromium is incredibly insecure and full of holes. Post this wishy washy bullshit on reddit, not on Lemmy.

      Because Tor browser’s goal is maximum anonymity and onion service. Firefox might be lag behind in security, but its code and features met the privacy requirements. Tor browser try to achieve some security by using noscript and block some web feature.

      • @TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml
        1•3 months ago

        Firefox lagging in security is complete nonsense. Also, security means nothing if privacy and anonymity are worse. Chromium browsers are at best second opinion browsers for regular usage. Forget them for privacy and anonymity, and therefore security as well. Because you are trying to gain security against the people you want your data/metadata to be private from.

        • @scratchandgame@lemmy.mlTiếng Việt
          1•3 months ago

          Also, security means nothing if privacy and anonymity are worse.

          Security here is protection from exploits, bugs,…

          • @TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml
            1•3 months ago

            And those exploits are features in Chromium browsers. Stop posting your delusional takes here, you do not have a good history anyway with BSD elitism, weird notions on security, shitting on Linux users etc.