I don’t know what they’re saying, but those cuffs were too tight.
They were arrested for resisting arrest and driving without a registration, and their car or truck or gas powered mad max tricycle was towed.
Agreed, those cuffs were way too tight. People disconnected from reality don’t improve via violence.
How can you guys tell the difference between damage caused by tight cuffs vs. somebody spazzing out?
You can tell based on the pattern of damage. Handcuffs placed very tightly will bite into the skin and cause skin damage to the immediate site, typically beyond the epidermal layer, and because they are cutting off circulation, will cause ischemic injury to areas distal to the handcuff placement and deep to the integumentary borders (because nerves especially are a little more prone to damage due to hypoxia, dying in as little as 3-5 minutes if the area is completely hypoxic). The damage would essentially be similar in appearance to the ligature marks made during a strangulation; you’d see a band of very damaged tissue. If the only thing that had occurred to damage this individual’s skin was handcuffs being too tight, you’d see the line that is pictured in the second and third images, more damage from it, and it would be the only injury.
If you look at picture 1 and 3, you can see that the damage is very wide compared to the handcuff width, and not localized in a single band. The damage is also all superficial, at it looks like it barely went through to the dermis, much less the hypodermis. These seem like scrapes from the individual pulling and twisting against the cuffs.
Thank you, I knew the photos didn’t look right, just didn’t know how to say it. So satisfying to see a reasonable theory being offered instead of kneejerk reactions. Of course, a emotional reaction is normal when you see photos of an injury in this context, but there is much more to the story.
It’s not hard to believe that the police would intentionally harm someone who didn’t perfectly follow their instructions. I admit, this is a prejudiced take against the police.
I feel like that’s a false dichotomy because it implies there’s a valid reason for the government to physically hurt you. Sovcits have a few screws loose. On a bad day I might have a few screws loose. Do I deserve to be injured because I’m acting erratically? Where’s the line where it’s okay for the government to injure you on side and not okay on the other? I feel like that line is probably much closer to “actively shooting people” than “reacting poorly because they’ve lost connection with the reality of government.”
Someone missing a registration shouldn’t be cuffed in the first place.
they had to drag his ass out of the car, you know he wasn’t listening to a thing they said
I’m gonna be real with you OP, I don’t think cops should handcuff and throw down with someone for a missing registration. I don’t see how this situation would arise at all if cops de-escalated properly, as they’re all supposed to do but none of them seem to know how.
I’m sure this guy was acting like a clown, but there should not be an obvious straight line from missing registration to resisting arrest, and I’d be surprised if the cops didn’t provoke this in some ways.
I find it perfectly believable that someone would refuse to listen to reason and need to be removed from their vehicle by force.
How can you de-escalate with someone who absolutely refuses to comply?
deleted by creator
One way you can de-escalate is to refuse to fucking use force on someone for driving a car.
It’s no longer just about driving a car at that point though, is it? You don’t get to just opt out of society, while using the infrastructure and services other people’s taxes pay for.
Perhaps coupled with a conversational approach, and asking the person to follow you home to their residence and fixing the problem there?
No. Just no. There is no reasoning with these people, they’re too far gone.
deleted by creator
What middle ground would that be?
Mine conveyance is trapped yonder!
A minor inconveyance at best
I don’t know why we are applauding this. Too tight handcuffs can cause permanent nerve damage and I very much doubt this person has some amazing healthcare plan that will fix it. Not having a car registered is a civil violation and the appropriate punishment is a fine or community service not to having your hands fucked up for life while being violently dragged from a car.
I’m always losing my conveyance keys!
What the fuck is a conveyance?
It’s like a car, but it makes you magically immune to the law.
A way of traveling. Totally different from a car that you have to drive, because that has legal connotations.
I’m guessing they mean car or some type of vehicle.
I’m afraid I’m not much help recovering a conveyance, but I know how to get your car. 😂
Yessssssss keep posting these
I have hundreds lol.
“I expect a full report.”
“We’ll be watching your career with great interest!”
We don’t want you on our roads if can’t follow the laws that keep us safe and pay the taxes that maintain our roads.
We live in a society and there are rules.
You keep saying that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
Quick to the conveyance mobile!
Is there an “Out Of The Loop” for those of us who don’t know what is going on with this new crazy flavor of Froot Loopz?
When and where did it start, where is this more prevalent, and just what the hell is it? The argument and reasoning, it seems they believe there is precedent or interpretation in the law that allows their stances to be legal… or something, I guess.
Is this shit from Montana and Idaho? I think I remember some “sovereign” militia having a showdown with the FBI in the 90s.
It began being known by that name in a white supremacist group ideology called Christian Identity as part of a group called the Posse Comitatus in 1971 in the US, but had its roots in general anti-government groups even earlier than that. It grew much more with the American farm crisis of the 80s and 90s to begin to exclude the white supremacists from its members. In the 90s the ideology was adopted by the Moorish Science Temple which is why so many of them are now black. It exists in other countries too, Australia has a lot of them, called Freeman on the Land. It has expanded greatly in the 2000s due to recession and mortgage crisis. The ideology meshes with Qanon often; a sovcit group called the Oath Enforcers showed up to the insurrection to support Trump for example. It can now be found in 26 countries, even Singapore.
Thungs like Qanon and antivaxxers and the COVID pandemic have attracted many more people to it, sovcits are of course animask and antivax. They HATE Jews.
Basically sovcits believe they are private people not bound by government laws. They will not have licenses or plates, do not pay taxes, and believe a lot of what is called pseudolsw…they “paper terrorize” the courts routinely.
They are crazy funny in my posts but they are capable of violence and many are in militias.
Seems like they fancy themselves at the center of some great struggle or event. Like most if not all pathetic cult fringes of society.
Imagine being born into that, growing up in that family and neighborhood environment in some Boise or Fargo outskirts, not unlike Alabama "long live the Confederacy’ trailer trash, where education is frowned upon, all the shit that gets stuffed into a young, poor mind early and often.
I’m only halfway joking when I say that some people should not be allowed to procreate.
There are other, structurally similar groups in other countries as well.
Here in Germany we’ve got Reichsbürger (citizens of the Reich), which use similar thought models to explain why Germany actually doesn’t exist as a country and is actually a company (literally, they call it Germany LLC). They engage in similar denial of anything they don’t like about laws, while arguing pseudo-legalistic in other areas.
They’ve always been around in some flavor or another, but they (like many once niche shticks) blew up with the internet.
spitball Cliff Notes: “I’m not an American citizen bound by American laws, I am an American National born on US soil. I have a right to travel, which I am doing in my conveyance (vehicle) therefore you cannot apply driving laws to me for I am traveling, not driving.” Basically, they think there’s a secret set of laws/combination of laws that allows them to exist “outside” of the system without engaging with it’s various parts (usually driving/car reg laws and taxes, but can include things like debt, court, etc)
extra nutter cliffnotes: “The name in all caps on your birth certificate is a corporation/strawman/legal fiction owned by the US govt via which you interact and do business with the govt, whereas your true name is your first and last with only the first capitalized as proper English grammar dictates. Taxes and other govt business are not done with me John Doe, they are done with the corporation of JOHN DOE, and I as a (American National/free man/pick a term) am not responsible for the tax obligations or other legal business the corporation of JOHN DOE has with the government.”
TLDR Cliff Notes: “I can not be bound by American laws because I never agreed to be governed by American laws.”
So was it a moving walkway?
These folks believe in magic. So weird.
