Nope. The moment they’ve self identified as cop, they become bastard.
The slogan isn’t incorrect, you simply choose to look at the individual actions, which yes, CAN be good actions, whereas others apply it to the institution that is the police force. If you are a part of that force, you are complicit in being a bastard.
Were all the gestapo bastards? Or did some of them do a few good things while participating in MASSIVE amounts of state sanctioned violence?
Nope, I’m looking at individual people, not actions.
No, you don’t become complicit in being a bastard simply by becoming part of a corrupt institution.
The Jewish sympathizers that were part of the Reich who saved Holocaust victims?
HOA participants who change the laws to be more fair and beneficial to everyone?
IRS agents offering free file programs and tax benefits for low-income individuals?
You are blind to how systems of the world actually work and what creates change.
You can keep throwing a tantrum and calling names, eventually you’ll realize you’re not changing anything.
It’s just going to take a lot longer than if you open your eyes.
By your logic, you are a rapist and a murderer because you live in a society within which rape and murder occurs.
If that’s how you like to see yourself, that is your choice.
It isba false, narcissistic and deluded perspective to ascribe total immutable personal responsibility for the actions of others by virtue of association.
You know what would be better in each of those situations? The offending party not existing in the first place.
Don’t have to save the Jews if the Gestapo doesn’t exist.
No need to change the HOA if you don’t have a HOA.
I could tackle the IRS Example as well, except I actually believe in (some degree of) taxes. Good on the people for finally twisting the IRS’s arm on free file options though, they’ve been vastly limited until lately.
Yes, if everything we’re talking about was different and behaved in a completely different manner than it does in the reality everybody lives in(that’s right, you too!), then there would be a way to support your worldview.
Way to pretend I don’t understand exactly what you’re saying and am effectively countering your avoidance techniques so that you can avoid addressing the flaws in your arguments I pointed out and don’t have to admit you don’t have a leg to stand on here.
It doesn’t even engage with what I said, it dismisses it out of turn.
To break it down for anyone else bothering to read this:
The natural conclusion to the points about HOAs and Gestapo is thus:
You don’t have to change the police system if it doesn’t exist. Why fix broken, when we can tear it down, see what we need and don’t need, and rebuild something else in its place.
This point has been entirely ignored. I didn’t think I had to spell it out entirely, but there we go. I’m done with this entirely. Good day.
I love it that you think finally explaining your actual argument is tantamount to “spelling it out”.
“You don’t have to change the police system if it doesn’t exist”.
Yeah, and if qualified immunity didn’t exist then it would be easier to prosecute police officers.
Unfortunately, that dreamscape, along with your own, is currently irrelevant since qualified immunity is still a reality.
Hardly seems worth bringing up, wouldn’t you agree?
So let’s get to what you’ve been trying to say by tiptoeing around the tulips this whole time:
“Why fix broken, when we can tear it down, see what we need and don’t need, and rebuild something else in its place.”
Because we know how to fix it. Because there is evidence and historical precedent that fixing it works. Because what suggestions I have heard so far for a rebuilt law enforcement, amounts to “fixing” The system now by adding more support services and increasing regulations and training. Because tearing it down takes a lot of time, and how long do you want there to be no law enforcement? Do you do it in stages?
Because, you saccharine dreamer, fixing broken windows is a heck of a lot easier and more responsible than burning your house down and starting from scratch.
Nope. The moment they’ve self identified as cop, they become bastard.
The slogan isn’t incorrect, you simply choose to look at the individual actions, which yes, CAN be good actions, whereas others apply it to the institution that is the police force. If you are a part of that force, you are complicit in being a bastard.
Were all the gestapo bastards? Or did some of them do a few good things while participating in MASSIVE amounts of state sanctioned violence?
Nope, I’m looking at individual people, not actions.
No, you don’t become complicit in being a bastard simply by becoming part of a corrupt institution.
The Jewish sympathizers that were part of the Reich who saved Holocaust victims?
HOA participants who change the laws to be more fair and beneficial to everyone?
IRS agents offering free file programs and tax benefits for low-income individuals?
You are blind to how systems of the world actually work and what creates change.
You can keep throwing a tantrum and calling names, eventually you’ll realize you’re not changing anything.
It’s just going to take a lot longer than if you open your eyes.
By your logic, you are a rapist and a murderer because you live in a society within which rape and murder occurs.
If that’s how you like to see yourself, that is your choice.
It isba false, narcissistic and deluded perspective to ascribe total immutable personal responsibility for the actions of others by virtue of association.
You know what would be better in each of those situations? The offending party not existing in the first place.
Don’t have to save the Jews if the Gestapo doesn’t exist.
No need to change the HOA if you don’t have a HOA.
I could tackle the IRS Example as well, except I actually believe in (some degree of) taxes. Good on the people for finally twisting the IRS’s arm on free file options though, they’ve been vastly limited until lately.
Yes, if everything we’re talking about was different and behaved in a completely different manner than it does in the reality everybody lives in(that’s right, you too!), then there would be a way to support your worldview.
Way to miss the point like you have this whole thread.
Way to pretend I don’t understand exactly what you’re saying and am effectively countering your avoidance techniques so that you can avoid addressing the flaws in your arguments I pointed out and don’t have to admit you don’t have a leg to stand on here.
It doesn’t even engage with what I said, it dismisses it out of turn.
To break it down for anyone else bothering to read this:
The natural conclusion to the points about HOAs and Gestapo is thus:
You don’t have to change the police system if it doesn’t exist. Why fix broken, when we can tear it down, see what we need and don’t need, and rebuild something else in its place.
This point has been entirely ignored. I didn’t think I had to spell it out entirely, but there we go. I’m done with this entirely. Good day.
I love it that you think finally explaining your actual argument is tantamount to “spelling it out”.
“You don’t have to change the police system if it doesn’t exist”.
Yeah, and if qualified immunity didn’t exist then it would be easier to prosecute police officers.
Unfortunately, that dreamscape, along with your own, is currently irrelevant since qualified immunity is still a reality.
Hardly seems worth bringing up, wouldn’t you agree?
So let’s get to what you’ve been trying to say by tiptoeing around the tulips this whole time:
“Why fix broken, when we can tear it down, see what we need and don’t need, and rebuild something else in its place.”
Because we know how to fix it. Because there is evidence and historical precedent that fixing it works. Because what suggestions I have heard so far for a rebuilt law enforcement, amounts to “fixing” The system now by adding more support services and increasing regulations and training. Because tearing it down takes a lot of time, and how long do you want there to be no law enforcement? Do you do it in stages?
Because, you saccharine dreamer, fixing broken windows is a heck of a lot easier and more responsible than burning your house down and starting from scratch.