Your choice doesn’t affect Gaza. That power lies with Israel and their next election.
For the rest of the world though, it will.
Unconditional political and material support for the genocide from the US is the only reason Israel is able to continue doing it. Period.
That’s true, but we’re talking about picking party, not USA as a whole.
it is true that both parties are fascists
Your definition of fascist covered a lot of leading country include china and russia it seems.
no it doesn’t
Lmao, classic yogthos.
oh you thought I was actually going to engage with your trolling there 😂
You say that as if you think that’s not the case.
Not the case of…what? USA is fascist or USA, Russia, India, and China are all fascist?
Yes
What? Do u really think USA doesn’t have the power to demand Israel to stop attacking?
No. they mean, no matter who you vote, the us won’t do jackshit
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Like saltyiceteamaker said, US won’t do jackshit about what Netanyahu doing regardless on who you vote, and even if they don’t give them money, highly unlikely Netanyahu will just stop doing what he’s doing.
However, for other issue within US or the one affect the world, it have different impact between this two. US is one of the biggest CO2 emission country, and also the world exporter of methane, for example.
Are you aware that the only way Israel is waging their war with guns and bombs is because of the US selling them the weapons? I’m sure Israel would still want to commit genocide without them but would find it much harder to do with literal sticks and stones.
Probably not until it’s citizens are able to vote outside the two party system in a reliable manner.
If you vote for genocide you prove that like Biden you do not have any red lines.
Why do Democrats pretend to criticize Biden for letting Israel invade Rafah? They are voting for it in the end. You care as little about Palestinians as Biden.
You can obsessed with that issue all you want, i’m not even American and have no say on what your choice are, and i can give them all the attention i have it still won’t change shit until Netanyahu step down.
My current biggest concern is climate crisis, which unsurprisingly affect basically everyone, including Palestinians. Guess which party call that a hoax, are actively destroying the planet, and guess which country are in the top 5 greenhouse gas emission.
Also lemme know if there’s any party that share your opinion and concern.
Also lemme know if there’s any party that share your opinion and concern.
PSL shares both yours and their concerns.
Either way, neither the DNC nor the GOP are attempting to meet the important climate targets seriously, they need to be replaced. If they can’t be replaced electorally, then they must be replaced through force.
then they must be replaced through force.
Yeah, like nuclear apocalypse or something 🤷
Tankie are something else it seems.
What on Earth are you talking about?
My current biggest concern is climate crisis
You can obsessed with that issue all you want…
I can and i will.
israhell has been committing this genocide for almost a century unless someone willing to abolish isntreal is on its next vallot i dont see how ir***ls next election could change anything, certainly no previous election put a stop to the genocide.
Why is tankie always fascinated by the idea of annihilation as a solution?
the genocidal state of israel has left no other solution but its own destruction. It is clear that they will accept no peace, and that they will never stop as long as they exists.
Yeah, let’s do what they do and call yourself a good guy.
The fact that u would even compare genocide with dismantlement a warmongering genocidal state tells me everything i need to know about u. Fucking liberal moralizers, doesnt give a single shit about literal genocide but when the people being murdered and raped and slaughtered and robed of everything fucking dare to fight back all of the sudden they start pearl clutching about some dead soldiers and the inevitable destruction of an organization whose only purpose is genocide. And u know what gets me the most about u fucking clowns that when its all done and history and its undeniable who was right u pretend like u were on the side of the oppressed all along u would have defended Rhodesia u would have defended apartheid South Africa, u would have defended the British colonies in Kenya and the french colonies in Algeria just like u defend israel today, and u would have said “well the way black people are treated is bad but violence is always wrong” during the American civil rights movement because u are a piece of shit.
Some people can more easily envision murder then the working class (of every country) taking control of their own lives and living in peace and harmony.
Considering how my country men/women/whatever act, I honestly can’t blame them.
Why are Zionists always incorrectly calling abolishing the genocidal Israeli State “genocide and annihilation?”
“Abolish a globally recognized state is not genocide and annihilation” is probably the most genocidal take i’ve ever heard.
But yeah sure maybe you should tell UN that or something.
Are you under the impression that the government of Israel is the same as the people living there? Do you think replacing a fascist apartheid ethno-state with a secular, democratic Palestinian state representing Palestinians and former-Israelis equally with minority protections is genocide?
You’re giving off a large number of Hitler-particles.
Are you under the impression that the government of Israel is the same as the people living there?
Where did you get that lol.
Do you think replacing a fascist apartheid ethno-state with a secular, democratic Palestinian state representing Palestinians and former-Israelis equally with minority protections is genocide?
Do you think the people living under that state, whether they agree or not agree with the action of Netanyahu, will want to disband their own country and live under different name after existing for more than half a centuries? It’s no different than saying replacing Palestine and put them under a democratic Israel state representing Israeli and former-Palestinian equally. I bet they will like to have a two state solution than anything.
You’re giving off a large number of Hitler-particles.
Ohh so forcibly disband a country and put their people under the control of another government isn’t hitler-ish. Very galaxy brain, much wow.
Where did you get that lol.
When you said disbanding a country is genocide.
Ohh so forcibly disband a country and put their people under the control of another government isn’t hitler-ish. Very galaxy brain, much wow.
Nazi Germany was disbanded. Imperial Japan was disbanded. These countries were commiting mass slaughter and genocide of innocents, just like Israel.
Israel cannot continue to exist as a fascist ethno-state and needs to be replaced with a single secular democratic state for Palestinians and former Israelis alike.
Read a book and stop defending genocide .
This bit is pretty mask off for them, because it’s how og nazis understood volkism.
I expect downvotes, but I figure thinking out loud about online discourse can be healthy to the general community and so I’m gonna do so.
The real issue here is not the fate of Gaza, I think. I believe that in reality, your failure is choosing not to be apart of the revolution that aims to dismantle the US government - the only way these groups view Gaza has any chance of being saved (by “this group” I’m referring to the condemners, who I suspect are Leninists and similar idealogues). Saying this openly is currently outside of the Overton window in the US still, since a majority Americans are uninterested in actually fighting and dying for a new system. Instead, they just imply it, or condemn stances that constrain to the status quo.
IMO, Such a revolution would need to happen within Israel for it to halt the genocide, and a revolution in US would fail to impact the Israeli government quickly enough to actually save Gaza.
Your individual likelihood of becoming fodder against police, and eventually the US military itself, is also ignored. The revolution itself is for the greater good of mankind in their eyes, and thus your life by itself is inconsequential.
Probably should be directly shutting down this call for joining the revolution rather than trying to appeal to reason - or explicitly state how you’re participating.
Overall, I think that the holy week riots demonstrated how effective violent protest can be and that something like that happening again could be good for the US. I’m aware how extreme that statement will seem to some, but the fact that the fair housing act was passed in a week should really show just how effective that kind of violent action can be, and that we shouldn’t rule it out.
At the same time though, I understand that many leftists currently are doing what they can to leverage the system to their advantage. This is not out of indoctrination, IMO, but because they have a respect for the lives of those immediately around them - they understand the alternative is sending a large portion of those around them to their die for a cause and they can’t conscionably do that. I couldn’t do that either, and I’m gonna respect how they’re operating currently and try to help how I am able.
You’re bringing in shit ton of topics in this statement. It’s hard to figure out what’s your intent for advocating this. In explicit terms, what exactly do you consider good for humanity? How do you feel about the impact of dismantling the US government? Do you really understand what exactly that would cause?
I am not following what you mean by “this” when you’re asking about what I’m advocating.
In explicit terms, my understanding is that Leninists and similar ideologies believe that humanity is in its capitalist phase, and that the next phase is communism. That is what I mean when I say that they believe a revolution in the US is good for humanity.
I don’t feel good about the impact of the US being dismantled, nor do I feel good about any western nation being dismantled. I don’t think anyone has a full clue what the US collapsing would cause, but I think it would cause catastophe. I am not advocating dismantling, if that’s what you think.
Ah, I’m all for it then. I’m just not onboard for careless actions done for the sake of doing, and consequently introducing instability to other’s lives.
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Oh look, someone trying to push Trump on us. Bless your heart, you just think we’re all idiots here.
No, they’re not the same. None of us are buying it.
I don’t think they’re pushing trump. More saying Gaza is fucked regardless.
Why is it so common that people assume if you don’t like one candidate that automatically makes you a proponent of the other? Is it not possible for you to conceive that both candidates may be power-hungry human garbage?
They’re centrists, scared centrists, who recognize that political in-fighting can result in a split vote letting the party with less votes take the election. However in addition to being humongous pricks about it (helping the in-fighting), they fail to recognize two very obvious facts:
- Progressives don’t have a candidate. In any party. You can’t split the vote if there’s no other option to split the vote with.
- The popular vote doesn’t matter. Hasn’t mattered since the Republican party stole the election in 2000 (if it ever mattered in the first place). There’s somewhere between 3-6 states where the popular vote, if you trust it to be recorded and reported accurately, can swing the election one way or another. In the other 44 states, the popular vote does. Not. Matter.
I love how Americans are unable to comprehend that people outside the US exist and that internal US politics aren’t the top priority for the rest of the world. The burger empire is a plague upon the humanity regardless of which piece of human garbage is at the helm of it.
I love how Americans are unable to comprehend that people outside the US exist and that internal US politics aren’t the top priority for the rest of the world.
Pretty rich given that you do nothing but post about US politics lol.
I really do wish the effects of US politics stayed within the US, unfortunately for the rest of us the actions of US plague the entire planet.
Ah, so this
I love how Americans are unable to comprehend that people outside the US exist and that internal US politics aren’t the top priority for the rest of the world.
Was nonsense. Big of you to admit it.
Do you understand what the word “internal” means? People outside the US don’t really care what you do to yourselves, but what you do that affects other countries politically, economically, and militarily does matter.
Your post literally comments on internal US politics. Can’t you remain consistent for like 2 seconds? Its no wonder you have absolutely no solutions to anything. You just make noise.
US doing a genocide in Gaza is internal US politics, is that what you’re saying?
Oh yeah these people don’t ever ever ever give actual solutions on how to achieve any goals. They just constantly criticize and then act like the victim when you call out how absurdly outside reality they are.
What are you going to do about it? Complain more on the same internet invented mostly by the country you hate?
It’s like you’re protesting Chinese slave labor but posting it on your slave labor produced electronics like a hypocrite.
“You criticize society yet you live in it, curious”
Also the US didn’t have the first internet type network
And there isn’t slave labor in China
You’re living in an alternate reality.
Wow what a brilliant argument you’ve put together there champ!
Complain more on the same internet invented mostly by the country you hate?
Lmao checkmate, tankie
What are you going to do about it? Complain more on the same internet invented mostly by the country you hate?
You don’t like slavery, yet you’re using Latin characters, who were invented by the Romans? Checkmate!
So you understand the flaws of First past the post voting? Why arent you working towards a more representative electoral system?
Trump will turn Gaza to ruble!
Gaza:
Jared Kushner: Let’s make the west bank into a resort
Now that can’t be, I received word from a liberal on this very platform that the US didn’t send them $24 billion in weapons, they actually only sent $20 billion therefore the genocide is back on the menu!
Sometimes I wonder if liberals even feel cognitive dissonance at being the same MAGA chuds they claim to hate so much.
Ah wait, if they did, they wouldn’t be liberals!
Liberals delude themselves as being different simply because they “support” liberation politics but they are simply helpless against the system that forces them to support fascist policies
None of you dipshits have any solutions to anything. All you do is make noise. “Don’t vote for the Dems” " Okay , then what?" crickets. Gaza getting fucked no matter what is literally just a reason to ignore the lot of you.
Libs just so badly want to be left alone
More noise from people too lazy to even attempt to solve literally anything.
I like how you decided to pretend that Leftists don’t have any solutions, rather than meaningfully engage with the solutions presented by Leftists.
Leftists have no solutions on Gaza. They just make noise. “Don’t vote for anyone who can win and change things” isn’t a solution and anyone who isn’t a child understands that .
Depends on where the Leftists are. If you’re strictly referring to America, then the Leftist stance is that both the DNC and GOP are aligned on their undying loyalty to Israel as a tool of Imperialism, and therefore neither option presents a pro-Gaza path. Instead, building up revolutionary pressure by supporting anti-Imperialist movements worldwide and organizing domestically outside the bounds of bourgeois electoralism builds pressure. This pressure can be levied against the ruling parties.
Your “solution” is to sacrifice Gaza.
There is significant anti-genocide faction within the democratic party that is trying to change things from within. There is nothing like that within the GOP. The only way to stop this (and the broader unconditional support of Israel) is through the democratic party. However small you think the chances of success of that strategy, leftists offer literally zero alternative paths to this outcome that have any chance of success.
There is significant anti-genocide faction within the democratic party that is trying to change things from within. There is nothing like that within the GOP. The only way to stop this (and the broader unconditional support of Israel) is through the democratic party.
This is vibes-based. The DNC will not cease support for Israel because the US State needs it for its Imperialist ambitions.
However small you think the chances of success of that strategy, leftists offer literally zero alternative paths to this outcome that have any chance of success.
Why do you believe organizing and building outside pressure has zero chance of success? Why do you think the DNC will magically work against their material interests?
Feel free to come back and apologize when I end up being correct and the DNC never ceases support for Israel without outside pressure and risk of system destabilization.
Don’t like people removed from the sidelines? Make them put their money where their mouth is by passing electoral reform in your state!
Get them off the sidelines and put them in the game! It’s so easy right? Force them to show us how it’s done by implementing a more representative electoral system such as Ranked Choice voting. Then they can run for public office with no spoiler effect.
Wouldn’t you want that? To have them prove it?
As a Brazilian, I can unfortunately relate to the exact same scenario…
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1 amerikkka has veto so its literally impossible 2 im not sure freeing amerikkka from what few laws it follows would make anything better
Needs the “we care ❤️ 🌈” flag on the right side in the rubble somewhere
That was painted on the side of the missiles sold to the genociders.
I see few buildings standing in Hariss scenario
Could be worse. Could be a Helvetica Scenario.
The war machine stops for no one.
Now do the US.
So what do you suggest we do about it?
It’s up to you all to figure out how to stop doing a genocide. Other people can’t solve your problems.
Well thanks for that I guess. Voting Harris and protesting against the genocide still seem like the most effective combination of actions with my very minimal power.
Thats great, but you have to think about what happens after voting for Harris that will prevent this choice next election?
The vote is necessary, but not sufficient. My vote is a short term strategy for harm reduction. Working towards actual electoral reform is my long term strategy for fixing things.
Work towards passing state level electoral reform in your state. Once more then two parties can be viable, competition will force the legacy political parties to actually attempt to represent people.
I doubt they’d be able to make that pivot. Representation in exchange for votes is a purity test neither will pass IMO.
Already ahead of you on that as an active member of my state’s ranked choice voting initiative.
I like my politics like I like my wrestling, kayfabe
There is a lot of truth in this picture. 2 sides, both shit for humanity. It’s a big problem really… Divide and conquer tactic… proven tactic.
Ever wonder why these are our only two choice?
Why 3rd parties can’t run without spoiling the election?
Consider watching a video on First Past the Post voting to find out why the spoilere effect exists.
Why 3rd parties can’t run without spoiling the election?
They can and they are. People who don’t vote third parties are voting for OPs picture; whether they think they’re being smart by “playing the game” or not.
No WAPO focuses on Cornel West who never intended to pose a serious challenge versus Jill Stein who is actually on the ballot.
