Republicans denounce comparison of 27 October event to notorious 1939 rally made by Democrats and Jewish leaders

Republicans denounce comparison of 27 October event to notorious 1939 rally made by Democrats and Jewish leaders

Donald Trump’s decision to hold a rally in the heart of Manhattan on 27 October, nine days before election day, has been slammed by New York Democrats, with one comparing the booking to an infamous Nazi rally held at the same venue in the lead-up to the second world war.

But it has also triggered a backlash to such sentiments, with Republicans saying such rhetoric heightens tensions even more in a presidential election campaign which has already seen two attempts on Trump’s life.

The Democratic state senator Brad Hoylman-Sigal, whose district includes much of the west side of Manhattan where a date on Trump’s “arena tour” rally has been booked at Madison Square Garden, called on venue owners to cancel the event.

“Let’s be clear,” Hoylman-Sigal wrote on X. “Allowing Trump to hold an event at MSG is equivalent to the infamous Nazis rally at Madison Square Garden on February 20, 1939.”

Hoylman-Sigal was referring to a pro-Hitler rally, organized by the German American Bund, that was attended by more than 20,000 people and featured a portrait of George Washington flanked by swastikas. Many attendees came from Yaphank, Long Island, where the Bund was headquartered and had a summer camp teaching Nazi ideology.

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  • ATDA@lemmy.world
    25·
    1 month ago

    Don’t call Trump a Nazi the rhetoric is going to get him killed!

    Lol says the party that directly caused j6 and threats in Springfield.

    Fuck this rhetoric angle they literally love trump because he talks like they do. He started normalizing this speech. So you first Nazi fuck. Deescalate do it.

    • Randomgal@lemmy.ca
      3·
      1 month ago

      Dw América seems to LOVE the “deescalate by escalating” doctrine. They’re gonna love the civil war remake.

    • ChocoboRocket@lemmy.world
      24·
      1 month ago

      I agree, and I can’t believe I’m saying this - because the Republicans are unequivocally going full Nazi, BUT

      Republicans are doing crazy Nazi shit all the time. Yeah, the date has significance to American Nazis, and normally anything Nazi would have been publically perceived bad pre-Trump.

      Even then, the Nazi accusations are often poorly executed and come off more as “EvErYoNe On ThE rIgHt Is A nAzi” and less “You are being categorically lied to, and if you vote Republican you will be irreversibly enslaved by the business class”

      But we are so far past Republicans dancing around Nazism that complaining about sharing a Nazi date/location isn’t going to make anyone clutch their pearls and see clearly.

      Trump and the Republicans going full Nazi doesn’t have much impact to the American population because

      1. There are no consequences to being a punk ass Nazi bitch if you’re Republican, it’s actually a pre-requisite now.

      2. No one is producing content to accurately show the Republican path to Nazism, the parallels, the significance, and the danger. No mention of union riots and former working conditions in the US, nothing.

      3. Both political parties are entirely beholden to the donor class who is warming up to Nazism, which is why the Anti-Nazi rhetoric is only done in small, insignificant doses instead of a competent national Anti-Nazi campaign so Democrats have plausible deniability that they warned the public.

      People aren’t threatened by Trump and will vote for him because America doesn’t tolerate traitors, and if anything Democrats said about Trump is true, surely he would be Jailed in Guantanamo Bay by now.

      Total lack of consequences = evidence of innocence, so anything you say against Trump is hand-waved away because if anything was wrong/bad it wouldn’t be allowed.

      This logic made Trump untouchable so far.

      • GroundedGator@lemmy.world
        4·
        1 month ago

        Yeah, the date has significance to American Nazis

        I seem to be lacking this piece of information. Why is this date significant?

      • cmbabul@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        1 month ago

        I disagree with the second point becuase Robert Evans and his Cool Zone Media podcast network and other notable Cracked alum Cody Johnston and Katy Stoll are both producing great content that does just that, but they are niche and the folks that need to listent to them most will dismiss their mediums and youth.

        Highly reccomend Evans’s 100% free audiobook The War on Everyone

    • adarza@lemmy.caEnglish
      7·
      1 month ago

      a few thousand people might attend the local event, but hundreds of millions of people will see it or read about it. they’ll still be yapping about it when they paint new york state blue on the map at 9:01pm eastern on election day.

    • lorty@lemmy.ml
      1·
      1 month ago

      I second this. I really don’t understand what exactly is different in a rally there compared to anywhere else.

  • BilboBargains@lemmy.world
    12·
    1 month ago

    There are other creepy parallels to Nazi propaganda techniques, like the flypast and morbid fixation with the death of adherents. The main difference seems to be that trump is less competent and in terminal decline before he achieves his goal. At least Hitler was compos mentis during the lead up to the seizure of power. By the time he completely lost his shit Germany at large was also fucked.

  • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.worldEnglish
    11·
    1 month ago

    I don’t think they can segment this venue down small enough to make this thing look full for him. Is he really sure this is what he wants?

    • Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world
      3·
      1 month ago

      I’m shocked MSG had an opening and allowed them to book it kinda knowing they’d get stiffed…

      …unless the owners are rapid enough thinking that they’d be been beneficiaries if the orange turd sleezes his way back into office

      • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        1 month ago

        Oh, they have clever accountants that can figure out a way to make a nice tidy loss out of the event. Hell, I’m not that clever and I can do it (I may be the fanciest accountant in my county, but it’s a small county).

  • Ithorian@lemmy.world
    3·
    1 month ago

    I think Americans dont understand that at this point everything that comes out about Trump is so negative that is causing certain kind of empathy, people should know when to stop. Im not saying that he is right or wrong but this holy war every single day at all times is very annoying. Sincerely an European

    • Letstakealook@lemm.ee
      29·
      1 month ago

      We’re not concerned with what Europeans think when it comes to stopping the rise of fascism in our country or really anything, for that matter. Ya’ll are hypocrites. Signed, an American.

      • Ithorian@lemmy.world
        2·
        1 month ago

        At this point all your, as a country, focus is hating the other part, what do you think the outcome will be? No matter who win the election if things dont scale down

    • TimLovesTech (AuDHD)(he/him)@badatbeing.socialEnglish
      20·
      1 month ago

      I think Americans dont understand that at this point everything that comes out about Trump Nazis is so negative that is causing certain kind of empathy, people should know when to stop. Im not saying that he is they are right or wrong but this holy war every single day at all times is very annoying. Sincerely an European.

      • Nazi sympathizer

      That’s how I read that.

      • Ithorian@lemmy.world
        2·
        1 month ago

        If you are that polarized you need a brain brother, things are not black and white as you try to put them. But i got you, its the easy way “with me or against me”, that’s the kind of thinking of a true dictator

        • Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world
          5·
          1 month ago

          What are you talking about? Many Americans will become second-class citizens, arrested, disappeared or even assaulted/murdered in widespread violence against scapegoats if the fascists win. You have no idea what you are talking about as you minimize the threat of MAGA conservatives.

          Europeans will be in grave danger as well, just not as obvious a danger as we are. You will be personally affected by this election, whether you like it or not.

          Please stop minimizing what is absolutely an existential threat to countless vulnerable people globally.

        • TimLovesTech (AuDHD)(he/him)@badatbeing.socialEnglish
          4·
          1 month ago

          So you’re saying we should give the fascists a chance because maybe they aren’t going to do exactly what their 900 page manifesto says they plan on doing? Do you think the world was too hard on Hitler too? I honestly don’t see how you can “both sides” a fascist in good faith, so I have to assume you have already chosen your side as the one being attacked here. And I’m going to use my brain to say I’m 100% not with fascists because it is that black and white.

          • Ithorian@lemmy.world
            1·
            1 month ago

            Just where did i say they deserve a chance? You are consumed in your on brain. I just said that too much negavity can have the wrong effect and you already call me a Nazi, you just proved that i am right. Im not gonna keep answering to you, good luck

            • CileTheSane@lemmy.ca
              1·
              1 month ago

              “I’m not saying you should tolerate them. I’m also not saying you should criticize them.”

              So what are you saying?

            • TimLovesTech (AuDHD)(he/him)@badatbeing.socialEnglish
              1·
              1 month ago

              If you are that polarized you need a brain brother, things are not black and white as you try to put them. But i got you, its the easy way “with me or against me”, that’s the kind of thinking of a true dictator

              How is one supposed to read that and not see it as a call to stop picking on the fascists because things “are not black and white”? And that calling out a fascist trying to destroy American democracy as taking the easy way of “with me or against me”. And you stated that you think calling out a wanna be dictator is “thinking like a true dictator” because we apparently aren’t just giving him a free pass. And I didn’t say you were a Nazi, you did. I just said you seem to see yourself on the side of the fascists, and a call out of them is somehow a call out of you.

              Also seeing this want to be fascist doing things absolutely should be called out every single time, because when people stop calling them out they become normalized. And when they become normalized, suddenly things like tracking women’s period cycles and charting their travel isn’t “out of the ordinary”. Things like banning porn and running weird apps on all family devices so that everyone gets an alert when someone watches porn so they can be turned in seems common. With the end result being we are living under a full-on Christofascist dictator very much resembling the Handmaid’s Tale. And if this were to happen, 0% chance is stays contained to the US, and that the US wouldn’t allow the Dictators of the world free reign on everything outside our borders. All they need do is give Trump compliments and he’ll sell out everyone.