Thanks!

Close, but it’s a threat: You’ll Never Walk Again. They are kneecapping people up in here.

You see, when football is mentioned online, the collective intelligence of any comment section is cut by at least 90%. This stacks with another 90% if it’s women’s football or any token LGBT acknowledgement in football. The joke is Muslim Bad.

Which is a shame. I used to make fun of le sportsball amirite until it clicked that there was immense entertainment value in these matches, which could be super tense and exciting even when an individual match doesn’t have super high stakes. There’s storylines with each of the players and managers, there’s a lot of diverging personalities among them and they all handle the same game in their own way. And unlike scripted shows, when something unexpected happens it is so much more interesting. Like the story is real in a way that scripted entertainment isn’t.

Why would he not celebrate Santas birthday?

This is a conundrum I can’t wrap my head around. One (country, usually) can have something of cultural significance, and decide what to do with that. They can make it a museum, make it generally available, forbid access at all, and even destroy it completely (e.g. see Palmyra under ISIS).

If the object in question is not protected by UNESCO (and really, even if it is) no one has a say in that. The only remotely correct argument that can be made is that destroying historical artifacts makes it hard or impossible to study history, but one can argue that we don’t need to study history, it’s not like this is an imperative. Another argument may be that things do not belong to those who have it, but instead to their people as inheritors of people who lived long ago, but I don’t think that also helps.

And so, on one hand, I am for preserving artifacts and not destroying those, on the other hand, I don’t quite see what moral ground is there for it.

I’m not revising anything its a shitty thing to do and it should all be returned. It was just a thought with a beer given how volatile some of the areas where the stuff comes and yes I know most of them ended up volatile because of colonialism.

To be fair, they probably weren’t able to take care of their own artifacts very well … after having been invaded by the British.

They also turned them into oil paint. Mummy/egyptian brown was a thing.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mummy_brown

I dont know why people do shit like this. Find some rare, finite resource of information and do just about everything with them except study them respectfully. Eat them, grind them into paint, rich people having “unwrapping parties.”

Humans are so deeply disappointing.

Oddly enough they didn’t teach that part of history when I was at school. Got anything I could learn up on it

I’m not appalled.

I’m simply amused by the stupidity

There are multiple forms of colonialism. The term settler colonialism’ is relatively new.

Settler colonialism is a logic and structure of displacement by settlers, using colonial rule, over an environment for replacing it and its indigenous peoples with settlements and the society of the settlers.

Practically every example you will find is Europeans getting on a boat and killing natives. The most famous example is Manifest Destiny also known as America.

There’s a difference between colonialism and conquest. Conquest was much much more common in the past than colonialism. Before modern European colonialism, the only people who had made colonial efforts had been the Greeks (with small city colonies in places like Libya, for example), and the Norse, with their colonization of Greenland and their attempt to colonize what is today Newfoundland. Otherwise, the rest was conquest. There’s a significant difference between the two.

You’re making the above poster’s point for them. Well done. It’s pretty fair to assume that Mo Salah’s ancestors were of that same land regardless of what religious or cultural identity they came from.

Thank you for the reference!

It was conquered by the Rashidun Caliphate some 1400 years ago, It had been a Roman Province for I believe just under 700 years.

Egypt’s first major power since the Hellenic Lagid (Ptolemaic) Dynasty was the Later Fatimid Caliphate (The Earlier one was in Tunisia). The Fatimids were a highly underrated (both by westerners, because they aren’t ancient, and by us Egyptians, because they followed a different sect of Islam which most consider heretical) golden age for Egypt, they established Cairo, and along with it one of the oldest operating universities on Earth, and were probably the most tolerant state of their time, they were Shia Muslims ruling over a majority Sunni and Christian Population, but Unlike the Safavids in Persia (who forcefully converted a major portion of their population to Shiism and were much more radical than the Fatimids), they were very tolerant and most positions of power were gained out of merit, in fact, the guy who founded Cairo (and prior to that invaded the entirety of north Africa and Egypt for the Fatimid caliphate) was a random slave’s son from Sicily. The cultural renaissance that occured during their period caused accelerated arabization in Egypt as more and more people started to speak Arabic since that was the language of the new cultural powerhouse of the region.

We do not talk about al Hakim.

Thank you for the reference!

You mean the ISIS which appeared after America invaded Iraq, destroyed it, and backed violent rebel groups with weapons?

Must be that “Islamic extremism” again.

Point of order, the Iraqis used a worker action to prevent the US from taking the oil.

Or more specifically, from importing American oil workers and executives to rebuild the oil fields and run them in the near term. The Iraqis had a reasonable fear that they would be squeezed out of the industry and it would return to a Western corporation just taking all the oil, as it was before 1972.

Bush actually backed off and now Iraq administers it’s own oil and sells leases like most other countries. Just recently they finalized a deal with Total(France), ACWA(Saudi Arabia), QatarEnergies, and Basra Oil Company (Iraq).

So hopefully it’s working out for them long term.

It’s too offensive.

cuz its a bad word.

It’s named “Black Land”. Their southern neigbors were black. why would they call themselves something that wouldn’t distinguish themselves from everyone else? It’s called black land because of the distinction between “Kemet” - Black Land, the Nile valley, and “Deshret” - Red Land, the surrounding desert.

But hey, afrocentrists gonna afrocenter

it is quite literally named the “land of the blacks” after all that is what Egypt means

Egypt is from Greek and definitely doesn’t mean that. The Egyptian endonym was kmt (traditionally pronounced as kemet), which is interpreted as “black land” (km means “black”, -t is a nominal suffix, so it might be translated as black-ness, not at all “quite literally land of the blacks”), most likely referring to the fertile black soil around the Nile river. Trying to interpret that as “land of the blacks” should be suspicious already due to the fact people would hardly name themselves after their most ordinary physical characteristic; the Egyptians might call themselves black only if they were surrounded by non-black people and could view that as their own special characteristic, but they certainly neighboured and had contact with black peoples. And either way one has to wonder if the ancient views of white and black skin were meaningfully comparable to modern western ones. On the other hand, the fertile black soil most certainly is a differentia specifica of the settled Egyptian land that is surrounded by a desert.

someone got their Egyptology degree from Queen Cleopatra.

Egypt was actually pretty well mixed between lower Saharan Africans, Greeks, Turks, etc. that’s because Egypt was a trusted trade route between many successful economies around the Mediterranean sea.

This is awfully inaccurate. One singular dynasty, after alexander, was fully greek. Greek pharaohs weren’t just a thing. There was one greek family that declared themselves Pharaohs after Alexander died.

It’s not an empire if you call it a federation /s