President-elect Donald Trump’s promise could lead to a 60-day cease-fire, allowing Israel to suspend hostilities until military support resumes under the new administration.
Almost everyone in north Gaza will be dead by new years. That happened entirely under Biden. Do you think Trump will kill them a second time?
We all know Trump is objectively worse but your argument is terrible; it’s like the Americans saying we should overlook Bush’s atrocities like Abu Ghraib because Saddam Hussein was worse. No, that’s just a fallacy.
Your premise is based on this: "Almost everyone in north Gaza will be dead by new years. "
Which is clearly and obviously false. Check back with me on Jan 1.
“Do you think Trump will kill them a second time?”
The Trump administration will enable the complete erasure of the Palestinian people and their land. Huckabee has said as much already. Israelis have said as much too. I believe them.
Finally, do you think nothing else matters? Do you think the consequences of a Trump administration beyond Palestine don’t matter? If so, I’d encourage you to spend less time virtue signaling and more time checking your privilege.
The UN has said it explicitly. Famine has taken place and aid is not allowed in. Biden withdrew his ultimatum and the Generals Plan is being implemented. But are you happy if only 70% of North Gazans died then man you sure showed me up.
It’s no question Trump is worse for West Bank and Palestinian aspirations, because he’s only accelerating the same policy that Biden agreed to. In terms of Gaza there really is no difference; the four years of Biden was worse for their lives than 4 years of Trump. But you’re being offensive by saying I need to ignore the Palestinian people whose funerals I attended because Trump is going to do the same thing in a nastier way. You dismissing my community’s real pain as virtue signaling just shows how out of touch you are and why Harris lost. Listen for a change.
If you want me to listen you should probably say something beyond vague platitudes and “your argument is terrible”.
What astounds me is that you expect me to be completely consumed with what’s important to you while you are completely dismissive of what’s important to me. As if somehow the ONLY issue that mattered in this election was the Palestinian people. As if every horrible horrible thing that is going to happen under Trump to American people has to take back seat to YOUR cause. That’s the definition of virtue signaling and it’s incredibly offensive to me.
Feel free to have the last word but I won’t engage with you further.
Baloney, you never once suggested what’s important to you and dismissed my real pain and advocacy for my community as “virtue signaling” and then are mad that I say your argument IS terrible. You think you laid out a constructive argument? There’s nothing you’ve actually argued for except insults. Please learn how to discuss topics in a civil manner and come back to us in a few years.
I’m not going to bet against you because I don’t trust you, and also because I don’t bet money on politics. We are already betting various aspects of our lives. Putting a little bit of cash on the line is a waste of time compared with everything else.
So I guess you win the argument? Not really though, because no one cares about what you’re saying you want to bet against people around you. In reality, you can play the odds, but in the end we don’t care what the odds were. We only care what actually happened, and we don’t know what’s going to happen on account of it not having happened just yet.
And the other point is that I don’t care what the political party of the president is. I care what the president and their supporters try to push through in terms of policies. Not all Democrats are created the same. Not all Republicans are created the same. And even if they were, which they’re not, politicians and political parties adjust their stances over time, because of course they do, because that’s natural. A label is just a label.
I’m not going to bet against you because I don’t trust you, and also because I don’t bet money on politics.
But also because you know I’m right. Please stop pretending like you don’t know that. Save some amazing and very welcome change to our electoral system, you know damn well I’m right.
because no one cares about what you’re saying you want to bet against people around you.
It’s not really about the bet or money. It goes to show that we all know what the outcome will be. People pretend to believe some other outcome is possible, likely even. But when presented with a bet they back off immediately. Why? Because we all know.
and we don’t know what’s going to happen on account of it not having happened just yet.
I’m doing too well in my predictions over these past few elections for it to be a coincidence. I know exactly what’s going to happen and so do you. That or I have powers of foresight for a very particular event…
And the other point is that I don’t care what the political party of the president is. I care what the president and their supporters try to push through in terms of policies.
Sure… I guess? When it comes down to it, I also don’t care which party wins as long as the candidate aligns with me politically. That’s not news. But you know as well as I do that a Republican is much less likely to give me a public option, real action on climate, institute policies to encourage walkable cities, or any of the other policies I imagine you and I align on. Why pretend like any of them is remotely possible from the Republican side?
Please predict as much as you want. But look, offering fake bets online is classic snake oil sales. It’s neither clever nor eye opening. But I guess you’re having fun, so do whatever makes you happy.
Exactly. For a country with as many mass shootings as we see we are a soft country.
People strap bombs to their chest to achieve less toward their own goals. These brats think major change will happen in a year. The reality is that if you want major change you got to accept that it is unlikely to happen out life times.
“Monday’s meeting in Washington, D.C., comes one day after Harris called for an immediate, temporary cease-fire in Gaza to facilitate an exchange of Israeli hostages for Palestinian prisoners and detainees. Harris is expected to continue pressing Israel to pause the fighting and allow more humanitarian aid into Gaza.”
“Vice President Kamala Harris met with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in private Thursday and followed it with a strikingly forceful call on his government to get a cease-fire deal done and ease the suffering of civilians in Gaza.”
“Vice President Kamala Harris reiterated her call for a ceasefire-for-hostage deal in Gaza while expressing sympathy for both Israelis and Palestinians affected by the conflict. Harris condemned the Oct. 7 attack by Hamas on southern Israel but said “far too many innocent Palestinians have been killed” by Israel’s ongoing military offensive in Gaza.”
Do you get something out of mis-representing what she said and did? Or were you just not actually paying attention?
She’s part of the Biden admin and did not promise to change anything about the policy towards Israel (which is full support even when Israel crosses their so called “red lines”), so she’s 100% complicit in genocide.
As I’ve told multiple propagandists, the support for Israel was for proper Israeli defense, NOT the genocide.
Nobody, not a single person, in the Biden Administration, delivered weapons with the explicit permission of “By all means, kill as many Palestinians as you want.”
The Israelis misappropriated the weapons to do that.
Feel free to blame Netanyahu and Likud for the genocide all you want, they are the ACTUAL perpetrators.
You should be able to tell this because the genocide started 10/7 before a dime of US aid had been promised or delivered.
They’re still sending weapons. You can’t keep giving guns to a guy that keeps murdering people, and then say “I told him not to murder people it’s not my fault”. How would that hold up in court?
As long as Israel is under threat from Iran and other forces, we will continue sending them weapons and support. That’s the entire stated reason for supporting them.
Biden and Blinken have also been working on a ceasefire for the entire year. They’re working the hardest they ever have on it and all we’ve gotten is us building a failed pier to help Israel launch a military attack.
FYI you can’t use propaganda then claim people are only believing in propaganda
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Harris supporters never embraced genocide.Take your bullshit and leave.
But you’re ok embracing Trump genocide?
No? Why are you making things up?
Am I? If you don’t think we get more genocide with Trump you are willfully not paying attention.
Almost everyone in north Gaza will be dead by new years. That happened entirely under Biden. Do you think Trump will kill them a second time?
We all know Trump is objectively worse but your argument is terrible; it’s like the Americans saying we should overlook Bush’s atrocities like Abu Ghraib because Saddam Hussein was worse. No, that’s just a fallacy.
Your premise is based on this: "Almost everyone in north Gaza will be dead by new years. "
Which is clearly and obviously false. Check back with me on Jan 1.
“Do you think Trump will kill them a second time?”
The Trump administration will enable the complete erasure of the Palestinian people and their land. Huckabee has said as much already. Israelis have said as much too. I believe them.
Finally, do you think nothing else matters? Do you think the consequences of a Trump administration beyond Palestine don’t matter? If so, I’d encourage you to spend less time virtue signaling and more time checking your privilege.
The UN has said it explicitly. Famine has taken place and aid is not allowed in. Biden withdrew his ultimatum and the Generals Plan is being implemented. But are you happy if only 70% of North Gazans died then man you sure showed me up.
It’s no question Trump is worse for West Bank and Palestinian aspirations, because he’s only accelerating the same policy that Biden agreed to. In terms of Gaza there really is no difference; the four years of Biden was worse for their lives than 4 years of Trump. But you’re being offensive by saying I need to ignore the Palestinian people whose funerals I attended because Trump is going to do the same thing in a nastier way. You dismissing my community’s real pain as virtue signaling just shows how out of touch you are and why Harris lost. Listen for a change.
If you want me to listen you should probably say something beyond vague platitudes and “your argument is terrible”.
What astounds me is that you expect me to be completely consumed with what’s important to you while you are completely dismissive of what’s important to me. As if somehow the ONLY issue that mattered in this election was the Palestinian people. As if every horrible horrible thing that is going to happen under Trump to American people has to take back seat to YOUR cause. That’s the definition of virtue signaling and it’s incredibly offensive to me.
Feel free to have the last word but I won’t engage with you further.
Baloney, you never once suggested what’s important to you and dismissed my real pain and advocacy for my community as “virtue signaling” and then are mad that I say your argument IS terrible. You think you laid out a constructive argument? There’s nothing you’ve actually argued for except insults. Please learn how to discuss topics in a civil manner and come back to us in a few years.
Who was embracing genocide? At least here most people are pro Palestine
They’re pretending there was some other possibility besides Harris or Trump.
The future is always an open question, my friend. And Harris always had the ability to change her stance.
I’ll bet you any amount of money that the next president is either the Dem or Rep nominee.
I repeated this over and over before the 2020 election. No one took me up on it.
I repeated it over and over again before the most recent election. No one took me up on it.
And no one will take me up on it for 2028 either because we all know what’s going to happen. So let’s stop pretending like we don’t.
I’m not going to bet against you because I don’t trust you, and also because I don’t bet money on politics. We are already betting various aspects of our lives. Putting a little bit of cash on the line is a waste of time compared with everything else.
So I guess you win the argument? Not really though, because no one cares about what you’re saying you want to bet against people around you. In reality, you can play the odds, but in the end we don’t care what the odds were. We only care what actually happened, and we don’t know what’s going to happen on account of it not having happened just yet.
And the other point is that I don’t care what the political party of the president is. I care what the president and their supporters try to push through in terms of policies. Not all Democrats are created the same. Not all Republicans are created the same. And even if they were, which they’re not, politicians and political parties adjust their stances over time, because of course they do, because that’s natural. A label is just a label.
But also because you know I’m right. Please stop pretending like you don’t know that. Save some amazing and very welcome change to our electoral system, you know damn well I’m right.
It’s not really about the bet or money. It goes to show that we all know what the outcome will be. People pretend to believe some other outcome is possible, likely even. But when presented with a bet they back off immediately. Why? Because we all know.
I’m doing too well in my predictions over these past few elections for it to be a coincidence. I know exactly what’s going to happen and so do you. That or I have powers of foresight for a very particular event…
Sure… I guess? When it comes down to it, I also don’t care which party wins as long as the candidate aligns with me politically. That’s not news. But you know as well as I do that a Republican is much less likely to give me a public option, real action on climate, institute policies to encourage walkable cities, or any of the other policies I imagine you and I align on. Why pretend like any of them is remotely possible from the Republican side?
Please predict as much as you want. But look, offering fake bets online is classic snake oil sales. It’s neither clever nor eye opening. But I guess you’re having fun, so do whatever makes you happy.
Exactly. For a country with as many mass shootings as we see we are a soft country. People strap bombs to their chest to achieve less toward their own goals. These brats think major change will happen in a year. The reality is that if you want major change you got to accept that it is unlikely to happen out life times.
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Weird how repeatedly calling for an immediate cease fire and a two state solution in Israel = “Harris genocide”.
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March - https://www.npr.org/2024/03/04/1234822836/kamala-harris-benny-gantz-gaza-cease-fire-israel-hamas
“Monday’s meeting in Washington, D.C., comes one day after Harris called for an immediate, temporary cease-fire in Gaza to facilitate an exchange of Israeli hostages for Palestinian prisoners and detainees. Harris is expected to continue pressing Israel to pause the fighting and allow more humanitarian aid into Gaza.”
July - https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/25/harris-netanyahu-israel-cease-fire-00171315
“Vice President Kamala Harris met with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in private Thursday and followed it with a strikingly forceful call on his government to get a cease-fire deal done and ease the suffering of civilians in Gaza.”
September - https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/harris-trump-presidential-debate-election-2024/card/harris-calls-for-ceasefire-in-gaza-while-trump-claims-she-hates-israel--isokhfqmy6EgRGrUOSuK
“Vice President Kamala Harris reiterated her call for a ceasefire-for-hostage deal in Gaza while expressing sympathy for both Israelis and Palestinians affected by the conflict. Harris condemned the Oct. 7 attack by Hamas on southern Israel but said “far too many innocent Palestinians have been killed” by Israel’s ongoing military offensive in Gaza.”
Do you get something out of mis-representing what she said and did? Or were you just not actually paying attention?
You do realize that words and deeds are not the same thing. Or words and words:
She’s part of the Biden admin and did not promise to change anything about the policy towards Israel (which is full support even when Israel crosses their so called “red lines”), so she’s 100% complicit in genocide.
As I’ve told multiple propagandists, the support for Israel was for proper Israeli defense, NOT the genocide.
Nobody, not a single person, in the Biden Administration, delivered weapons with the explicit permission of “By all means, kill as many Palestinians as you want.”
The Israelis misappropriated the weapons to do that.
Feel free to blame Netanyahu and Likud for the genocide all you want, they are the ACTUAL perpetrators.
You should be able to tell this because the genocide started 10/7 before a dime of US aid had been promised or delivered.
They’re still sending weapons. You can’t keep giving guns to a guy that keeps murdering people, and then say “I told him not to murder people it’s not my fault”. How would that hold up in court?
As long as Israel is under threat from Iran and other forces, we will continue sending them weapons and support. That’s the entire stated reason for supporting them.
And Israel keeps mass-murdering civilians with said weapons and the US govt knows it.
Love you just proving their point on why everyone stopped. Because all that happens is instant bans or removals for pointing out flaws.
Also how many of those are just her saying submit to allowing Israeli forces to continue killing everyone after a 30/60 day ceasefire
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What proof?
Biden and Blinken have also been working on a ceasefire for the entire year. They’re working the hardest they ever have on it and all we’ve gotten is us building a failed pier to help Israel launch a military attack.
FYI you can’t use propaganda then claim people are only believing in propaganda
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Yes. Just like Biden and Blinken have been saying they want a ceasefire.
It is on them. If you oppose genocide why would you be okay with it happening elsewhere?