If you think we couldn’t have persuaded Kamala to drop Israel’s funding, if you think there’s absolutely nothing we could have done to help Gaza under any circumstances, then why make Gaza your single issue? You’re the one who says there’s nothing we could have done. Fine, then you should have continued to do nothing for Gaza, left the fighting for Gaza to us lot, and tasked yourself with preventing the other two genocides Trump was planning on.
The dems getting their asses handed to them and rightfully so across the board should force them to do some deep soul searching, and rile up their out to brunch blue no matter who supporters into giving a shit since they clearly haven’t for the past four years.
Liberal tears are tasty coming from a leftist sick of liberal bullshit. Just this time! Most important election ever! Gotta save democracy! After my team gets in I’ll push them left! so fucking exhausting listening to liberals. LMFAO if you think the left believes that if Kamala won youd be pushing her left. Where were you the last four years?!
These are some good arguments, you should go to Washington and present them to the DNC. This isn’t Washington, this isn’t the DNC, this is Lemmy. We’re not the Democratic leadership, we’re just a bunch of anarchists. And we don’t buy your argument that you’re not responsible for the consequences of your own decisions because a democrat is to blame. You should have done the right thing even if the Dems did the wrong thing. Instead, they did the wrong thing, and you decided to do the wrong thing too. You think you get a free pass because there’s someone else to blame for your actions. You don’t.
LOL. An “anarchist” advocating voting for genocidal shitlibs. Thanks for the laughs.
The only thing of use going to Washington would be to hang most of the politicians. They only listen to their corporate donors, and I am not a corporate donor. Keep dreaming about “pushing them to the left”. LMFAO!
The dems getting their asses handed to them and rightfully so across the board should force them to do some deep soul searching, and rile up their out to brunch blue no matter who supporters into giving a shit since they clearly haven’t for the past four years.
Lol, and you accuse others of fantastical thinking? When has that ever worked?
The last time this happened is when the democratic leadership pulled together to bump Bernie for Clinton. When Clinton lost to trump, did the Dems do some soul searching and go further left?
Liberal tears are tasty coming from a leftist sick of liberal bullshit.
Brb, gonna elect a fascist to get those liberal tears…
fucking exhausting listening to liberals.
You’re not a leftist, you’re just a contrarian fuckwit that doesn’t understand basic organization and mutual aid.
If you were anything but an armchair leftist, you would have a basic understanding about the importance of popular fronts in leftist history. Some of the most important organizing that allowed leftist governments to come to power in the past have been when leftist anarchist, and yes even the working and middle class, all came together to present a unified front against fascist.
When Clinton lost to trump, did the Dems do some soul searching and go further left?
Nope, I expect absolutely nothing to change. The democrat party is working exactly as designed. A foil to the left and a lapdog to corporations and the military industrial complex. They fundraise off losing. See roe vs Wade for a great example of democrat party cynicism and failure to do anything except lose and beg for money. We live in a one party system with false choices. It’s theatre.
f you were anything but an armchair leftist, you would have a basic understanding about the importance of popular fronts in leftist history. Some of the most important organizing that allowed leftist governments to come to power in the past have been when leftist anarchist, and yes even the working and middle class, all came together to present a unified front against fascist.
History shows that the liberals gladly work with the fascists. See Nazi germany for an example of capitalists fucking over the left and ending up with fascism. Because to social democrats and liberals, protecting class interests supersedes protecting lives.
Okay, so you were speaking dishonestly before when you were attempting to validate your opinion?
We live in a one party system with false choices. It’s theatre
That’s simply untrue. First of all, domestically the parties vary immensely in policy ranging from healthcare, labour, race, and gender. And while I would agree that for the most part Dems and Republicans generally agree in foreign policy, that is not always the case.
The most relevant being how they interact with Iran. The whole reason Israel felt comfortable with doing an ethnic cleansing is because the Trump administration ended the Nuclear agreement. Israel’s motivation isn’t just to commit a genocide, but to rope America into an all out war with Iran.
History shows that the liberals gladly work with the fascists.
Some liberals will, some liberals won’t. The idea is to sway the liberals into a popular front with leftist against fascist. You know the thing that kept fascism from spreading to France after Italy and Germany.
Because to social democrats and liberals, protecting class interests supersedes protecting lives
Except there are dozens of examples throughout history that negate that argument…
Where do you think leftist come from…? There is no other choice than to work with liberals, as that is how leftist are created. The vast majority of leftist were liberal at one point, even the fucking Soviets started with a popular front.
If we blanket reject working with liberals for common goals, there is no one to recruit from. It’s almost like mutual aid is a central tenet of leftist organization…
Please actually read a book at some point and stop regurgitating bad leftist takes from fucking tick Tok.
Nothing will change because the democrats protect capital. What they will do is clamp down harder on the left while ratcheting further to the right. I refuse to vote for them because they refuse to learn. this country isn’t gonna be a country for much longer.
The dems don’t materially differ from the republicans even under domestic issues. Healthcare? Obamacare is Romneycare! Abortion rights? They cynically fundraised off it and fucked us over. They promised to codify it, had all of congress under their control, and refused. labor? Biden sent the striking railroad workers back to work (nice non American spelling there, I see you know a whole lot not being American yourself). Race? Why did they lose more minorities than ever to the republicans? And they lost on affirmative action and DEI initiatives. Gender? You mean how they let republicans dictate their policies re trans people? Or how they fucked women over on abortion? A whole lot of empty promises but do keep being their water boy, non American.
You think the dems don’t wanna bomb Iran too? LOL. So long as John Bolton is alive there’s a damn good chance we’ll be bombing Iran regardless of who’s running the show.
I don’t have tik tok, your spelling shows you’re not American and don’t live here or understand how hard were suffering under inflation while the biden admin gaslights the shit out of us.
Liberals have always shit on leftists and can’t be trusted.
I enthusiastically hate trump, but believe it or not I trust him over biden when it comes to avoiding WW3. I think being anti war is one of the few real beliefs trump has had, and as a (former) NYer I’ve been paying attention to his antics long before he went into politics. He was deeply critical of the war on terror and that criticism appears genuine.
The US has been at war for all but like seven years of it’s existence. We live in a false “democracy” where people are given the illusion of choice when in reality we are like a capitalist version of the USSR. The corporations run the state.
Lol, the American system is hot shit, but it’s not quite yet a fascist empire. That’s like a German socialist in the 30’s claiming that the Weimar Republic is fascist, so you might as well vote for Hitler.
The US has been at war for all but like seven years of it’s existence.
That’s not how fascism is defined… If it was, the fucking Soviets would be fascist.
We live in a false “democracy” where people are given the illusion of choice when in reality we are like a capitalist version of the USSR. The corporations run the state.
And your solution is to give away what little control we are allotted to a politician who wants to make it all worse?
How are you helping this scenario at all? What mutual aid are you giving, what support network are you organizing. Seems to me you’re just whining about it all while actively making it worse.
We’ve been fascist since our founding. What do you think manifest destiny was? Where do you think hitler got his ideas from? He was greatly inspired by our treatment of native Americans and blacks.
Im involved in my community. I refuse to pay back my student loans, I refuse to pay federal taxes. I’ve campaigned for candidates before only to see them steamrolled by the DNC.
Electoralism and democracy are failures. This isn’t a democracy and you take way too much comfort in your illusion of choice.
Lol, something can be bad without being fascist. Words have meaning.
What do you think manifest destiny was?
Colonialism.
Where do you think hitler got his ideas from?
Italy, America, Prussia, Britain, Napoleonic France, the Russian colonization of the east… it’s almost like this is a nuanced subject or something.
Im involved in my community. I refuse to pay back my student loans, I refuse to pay federal taxes.
Lol, the refusing to pay federal taxes either means…you are lying (most likely), you don’t have a job, or you will eventually be going to federal prison. My money is you are lying.
Electoralism and democracy are failures.
And bitching online has been real successful for you?
If you’ve given up on nonviolent means, why aren’t you organizing a violent revolution?
take way too much comfort in your illusion of choice.
What an edge lord. I’ve never seen someone be so proud of doing less than nothing.
I’m guessing that you, like everyone else who was comfortable voting third party… Are young, white, and male. The specific group that has no skin in the game, so they really don’t see how things can get worse. In fact, I’m sure you’ll have even more rights to do nothing with once Trump is elected, good for you.
Must be nice to be privileged enough to not even engage in harm reduction.
Your comment is complete fantasy. Nothing would change under Harris.
If you think we couldn’t have persuaded Kamala to drop Israel’s funding, if you think there’s absolutely nothing we could have done to help Gaza under any circumstances, then why make Gaza your single issue? You’re the one who says there’s nothing we could have done. Fine, then you should have continued to do nothing for Gaza, left the fighting for Gaza to us lot, and tasked yourself with preventing the other two genocides Trump was planning on.
The dems getting their asses handed to them and rightfully so across the board should force them to do some deep soul searching, and rile up their out to brunch blue no matter who supporters into giving a shit since they clearly haven’t for the past four years.
Liberal tears are tasty coming from a leftist sick of liberal bullshit. Just this time! Most important election ever! Gotta save democracy! After my team gets in I’ll push them left! so fucking exhausting listening to liberals. LMFAO if you think the left believes that if Kamala won youd be pushing her left. Where were you the last four years?!
These are some good arguments, you should go to Washington and present them to the DNC. This isn’t Washington, this isn’t the DNC, this is Lemmy. We’re not the Democratic leadership, we’re just a bunch of anarchists. And we don’t buy your argument that you’re not responsible for the consequences of your own decisions because a democrat is to blame. You should have done the right thing even if the Dems did the wrong thing. Instead, they did the wrong thing, and you decided to do the wrong thing too. You think you get a free pass because there’s someone else to blame for your actions. You don’t.
LOL. An “anarchist” advocating voting for genocidal shitlibs. Thanks for the laughs.
The only thing of use going to Washington would be to hang most of the politicians. They only listen to their corporate donors, and I am not a corporate donor. Keep dreaming about “pushing them to the left”. LMFAO!
Anarchists notably are ok with a little genocide if it means the capitalist establishment can keep on limping along
Not me! This pretend “anarchist” is a joke.
Lol, and you accuse others of fantastical thinking? When has that ever worked?
The last time this happened is when the democratic leadership pulled together to bump Bernie for Clinton. When Clinton lost to trump, did the Dems do some soul searching and go further left?
Brb, gonna elect a fascist to get those liberal tears…
You’re not a leftist, you’re just a contrarian fuckwit that doesn’t understand basic organization and mutual aid.
If you were anything but an armchair leftist, you would have a basic understanding about the importance of popular fronts in leftist history. Some of the most important organizing that allowed leftist governments to come to power in the past have been when leftist anarchist, and yes even the working and middle class, all came together to present a unified front against fascist.
Nope, I expect absolutely nothing to change. The democrat party is working exactly as designed. A foil to the left and a lapdog to corporations and the military industrial complex. They fundraise off losing. See roe vs Wade for a great example of democrat party cynicism and failure to do anything except lose and beg for money. We live in a one party system with false choices. It’s theatre.
History shows that the liberals gladly work with the fascists. See Nazi germany for an example of capitalists fucking over the left and ending up with fascism. Because to social democrats and liberals, protecting class interests supersedes protecting lives.
Okay, so you were speaking dishonestly before when you were attempting to validate your opinion?
That’s simply untrue. First of all, domestically the parties vary immensely in policy ranging from healthcare, labour, race, and gender. And while I would agree that for the most part Dems and Republicans generally agree in foreign policy, that is not always the case.
The most relevant being how they interact with Iran. The whole reason Israel felt comfortable with doing an ethnic cleansing is because the Trump administration ended the Nuclear agreement. Israel’s motivation isn’t just to commit a genocide, but to rope America into an all out war with Iran.
Some liberals will, some liberals won’t. The idea is to sway the liberals into a popular front with leftist against fascist. You know the thing that kept fascism from spreading to France after Italy and Germany.
Except there are dozens of examples throughout history that negate that argument…
Where do you think leftist come from…? There is no other choice than to work with liberals, as that is how leftist are created. The vast majority of leftist were liberal at one point, even the fucking Soviets started with a popular front.
If we blanket reject working with liberals for common goals, there is no one to recruit from. It’s almost like mutual aid is a central tenet of leftist organization…
Please actually read a book at some point and stop regurgitating bad leftist takes from fucking tick Tok.
Nothing will change because the democrats protect capital. What they will do is clamp down harder on the left while ratcheting further to the right. I refuse to vote for them because they refuse to learn. this country isn’t gonna be a country for much longer.
The dems don’t materially differ from the republicans even under domestic issues. Healthcare? Obamacare is Romneycare! Abortion rights? They cynically fundraised off it and fucked us over. They promised to codify it, had all of congress under their control, and refused. labor? Biden sent the striking railroad workers back to work (nice non American spelling there, I see you know a whole lot not being American yourself). Race? Why did they lose more minorities than ever to the republicans? And they lost on affirmative action and DEI initiatives. Gender? You mean how they let republicans dictate their policies re trans people? Or how they fucked women over on abortion? A whole lot of empty promises but do keep being their water boy, non American.
You think the dems don’t wanna bomb Iran too? LOL. So long as John Bolton is alive there’s a damn good chance we’ll be bombing Iran regardless of who’s running the show.
I don’t have tik tok, your spelling shows you’re not American and don’t live here or understand how hard were suffering under inflation while the biden admin gaslights the shit out of us.
Liberals have always shit on leftists and can’t be trusted.
I enthusiastically hate trump, but believe it or not I trust him over biden when it comes to avoiding WW3. I think being anti war is one of the few real beliefs trump has had, and as a (former) NYer I’ve been paying attention to his antics long before he went into politics. He was deeply critical of the war on terror and that criticism appears genuine.
And will change drastically under Trump, just not in a good way…
What’s gonna change? We’re gonna magically stop supporting fascist imperialism?
The US has been at war for all but like seven years of it’s existence. We live in a false “democracy” where people are given the illusion of choice when in reality we are like a capitalist version of the USSR. The corporations run the state.
Lol, the American system is hot shit, but it’s not quite yet a fascist empire. That’s like a German socialist in the 30’s claiming that the Weimar Republic is fascist, so you might as well vote for Hitler.
That’s not how fascism is defined… If it was, the fucking Soviets would be fascist.
And your solution is to give away what little control we are allotted to a politician who wants to make it all worse?
How are you helping this scenario at all? What mutual aid are you giving, what support network are you organizing. Seems to me you’re just whining about it all while actively making it worse.
We’ve been fascist since our founding. What do you think manifest destiny was? Where do you think hitler got his ideas from? He was greatly inspired by our treatment of native Americans and blacks.
Im involved in my community. I refuse to pay back my student loans, I refuse to pay federal taxes. I’ve campaigned for candidates before only to see them steamrolled by the DNC.
Electoralism and democracy are failures. This isn’t a democracy and you take way too much comfort in your illusion of choice.
Lol, something can be bad without being fascist. Words have meaning.
Colonialism.
Italy, America, Prussia, Britain, Napoleonic France, the Russian colonization of the east… it’s almost like this is a nuanced subject or something.
Lol, the refusing to pay federal taxes either means…you are lying (most likely), you don’t have a job, or you will eventually be going to federal prison. My money is you are lying.
And bitching online has been real successful for you?
If you’ve given up on nonviolent means, why aren’t you organizing a violent revolution?
What an edge lord. I’ve never seen someone be so proud of doing less than nothing.
I’m guessing that you, like everyone else who was comfortable voting third party… Are young, white, and male. The specific group that has no skin in the game, so they really don’t see how things can get worse. In fact, I’m sure you’ll have even more rights to do nothing with once Trump is elected, good for you.
Must be nice to be privileged enough to not even engage in harm reduction.