kill everybody you don’t like is literally Machiavelli does anybody ever read the damn book
Public perception vs. actual book:
Machiavelli: Scheme with a bunch of viziers in triple crossing power plays vs. just pay a guy to stab your enemies
Sun Tzu: 45° Angle Pincer Movement after recon by fire feint retreat vs. your soldiers, also your horses, need to eat food
1984: there’s an unimaginably large and deceptive state machine that will manipulate you in ways you do not begin to understand vs. just send a hot resistance asthetics gf honeypotboth the Prince and Art of War are manuals for ungrateful princelings that go over the bare basics of statecraft/military manners so that the unqualified nobility won’t completely muck it up, that they’re held up as these mystic tomes of forbidden knowledge is an insult to the proletariat’s basic intellect (understanding that animals need fodder and normal people don’t like monarchs)
I’ll extend this to 1984 because I think “You could be working for the state and kind of disagree and it will fuck you” is not a lesson your average working class person needs
lmfao yeah
There’s a masculine emotional undercurrent to the godfather that i could relate to when i was a teenager in puberty but as a trans woman just feels alien and clownish to me
like the truth of that movie is somewhere in the unresolved male ego and the compensation thereof and i can’t vibe on it anymore.
My Dad had me watch it with him when I (also transfem) turned 13 (came out at 23). Kinda like a rite of passage into manhood. I think there is this sense among men that a fundamental part of masculinity is burden and self-sacrifice. Seeing a man do what a man’s gotta do even as his life tears apart because of it cuts deep for many of them. Plus, it’s also a power fantasy thing. Kinda like breaking bad. Also, I swear testosterone makes you like “dark” “grity” shit more somehow. Pre transition sicario was one of my favorite movies and now I have less than zero interest in watching it.
I mean, its a move.
and to do em all at the same time is to prevent them from organizing a reaction/defense/counter. its also kind of scary if maybe you were in the margins, sympathizing with one of them quietly, and now they’re all dead. see also Operation Hummingbird.
or, a fictional but taken to the extreme example, when Walter had those biker freaks do all those people in prison at the same exact time.
the message is clear: I can do whatever because I have enough killers to orchestrate some shit like this.
the message
also don’t be a fredo
Imagine like 10 to 20 Luigis all happening at the same time all across the country
Infinite Luigis on the first World
or, a fictional but taken to the extreme example, when Walter had those biker freaks do all those people in prison at the same exact time.
One of my top 3 scenes of the show, maybe in TV. Just horrifying but visually stimulating because of the montages.
There’s a really great scene in Fargo season 2 like this as well
This is similarly my favorite scene in all of TV/Movies, I love the use of the song Locomotive Breath by Jethro Tull also.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-p46qx7KVks
Season 1 and 2 of Fargo are some of the greatest TV of all time. If you haven’t seen the I cannot recommend them enough. Also unlike True Detective they managed to actually outdo the first season even without Billy Bob Thornton playing the best villain ever put to the screen in the first season.
Oh yeah season 2 was great. Such a different tone and style and that made it excellent.
spoiler
Mike Milligan and the undertaker was one of the greatest subversions of expectation of all time.
YES it was like True Detective, only good
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most overrated film i ever saw 5.5/10
I think its a great movie for many reasons - but i can totally understand feeling its overrated. The hype around it has grown massively. Reminds me of how in the 90’s people talked about Citizen Kane being the best movie of all time as “the accepted opinion” so it was very difficult to watch it without having the reaction that its overrated. Seems like the Godfather is kind of in the spot now. Like Kane its great and matters film history wise, but nothing can live up to the hype of the best movie ever™
Part of the Godfather was that it played on a lot of popular themes and styles of the time. I forget where I read that but I know that these kinds of slow burn french inspired but low dialogue thrillers were much more common then. I think its best to understand these movies as both historically important, and being the best of their time, or of a certain genre or style. I think of sports the same way. People endlessly argue over whether its Ruth, Bonds, or Mays but really each of the three was the best of their own era. Ruth is the most dominant player of all time, Bonds is the most dominant of the modern era, and Mays is the most complete player of all time.
Yeah i totally agree with that. Art like anything else has to be understood in the context of its time and place.
i guess it pushed boundaries for its time but doesn’t fully hold up to new gens judging by modern media influenced by an endless amalgamation of references. i found the themes and character development pretty interesting but not nearly enough for a plot that just felt bare and drawn out
it’s like when my mom told me the Truman Show “broke her brain”… and then i watched it as someone who binged Black Mirror in middle school and thought it was just alright
It’s when the same babies never shut up about Muppet Christmas Carroll that call such films overrated.
never saw is that like a xillennial cringe cult classic?
some of my favorite movies are slowburns and oldhead stuff. the godfather just felt like something a certain type of person forces themselves to like / look at from “objective film-making standards” removed from how immersive or resonant the storytelling actually felt to them. also can’t see it as being at all evocative for many people who aren’t older, white, anglo men
That is exactly the term for it.
I don’t want to hold up the godfather with everything you said. But I wish for a future generation that has the energy to enjoy art again.
The Truman Show was overrated when it came out lol i saw it in theater, its okay, but yeah some people really love it.
I think it is interesting to see how different generations react to movies that were given a lot of accolades and kind of held up as “the best” or one of “the best” of all time. I think when something gets built up you eventually get a reaction against it (in general i mean, I’m not saying your critique is just reaction or anything).
I thought Godfather 2 was great also 🤷
Hell yeah, probably like it even better than the first one. I can see why someone would find it overrated. If you get told its the “greatest movie ever made” how is anything going to live up to that! But i think they’re still great movies
Same lol. Yeah greatest X ever made is always silly. It sets up for a bad time due to over hyping, and it’s not even accurate since they’re still making movies!
And to hide guns in bathrooms(although been a while since I’ve seen it so maybe it’s someone else who sets that up)
“Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.” Words to live by.
IIRC the player character in The Godfather (2006, Win/PS2/XB) was the one who planted the gun
Yeh I’m pretty sure that’s not his plan iirc
