Especially if you dedicate your time to the actual study of Marx and Lenin and make leftism more than just a contrarian personality trait. Now go outside!

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      dude leftist make me so uncomfortable with this shit. like I hate that i always feel like I have to cover up when i go to dsa meetings (psl people are cool) or else someone will leer at my body. some people look like that picture and these thread make me so uncomfortable. I always feel like the comments they make on the drawings bodies are comments on my body (they arent I know). idk just makes me so upset, im constantly being sexualized (and touched without consent) by everyone all the time, if i show an inch of skin people see it as an invitation to make crude comments or say im “Looking for attention” like no I just have huge tits and ass IM SORRY (I DONT EVEN WANT TO LOOK LIKE THIS). I understand that half of this is projection I just wanted to vent.

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        Oh no, that’s awful and sucks. I’m just saying I find it weird people considered the above image “overly sexualized” in the first struggle session. I mean yes all those women are conventionally attractive but they’re not really dressed in a way that would be unusual to see during the summertime.

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          I find it weird people considered the above image “overly sexualized” in the first struggle session

          its a red flag for me personally, it makes me think they are gonna treat me the same way for wearing normal summer clothes. and thank you comrade, for your response and letting me vent ♥️

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          Art, especially cartooning, is founded on abstraction. The majority of details are discarded, only a small few remain. What details are or are not included is one of the most fundamental elements of interpreting a cartoon as a piece of art. Russia, as always, is the easiest example here. Look at what details on the clothing are maintained: The crease in the cleavage, the creases along the pelvis leading into the legs. Of all the details on the surface of the clothing, most others are discarded and these make up around three quarters of the total detail that remains.

          Significantly, most of the characterization comes from a confluence of many little details, but to list these is to invite some disingenuous radlib to pick one out and say “Oh, so she’s sexualized because she is turning her hips? Puritan!” as though that is what I’m saying. Instead I will ask: Why do all of them have large chests for their weight? Why do all of them [except SA, who is ambiguous due to her arm] have narrow waists? It’s because these are fucking waifus, meant to be viewed as objects, not as people. It’s wild how radlibs struggle to do anything but media criticism and yet suck so fucking much at media criticism.

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            Why do all of them have large chests for their weight?

            wtf-am-i-reading

            Are y’all seeing a different picture than me? It’s incredibly bizzare to me that anyone could look at this and come away with that. Especially, like, India’s over there with a full length skirt, average proportions, and a conservative neckline. Can’t for the life of me understand what the deal is.

            I’m sorry but y’all are being extremely weird about this.

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              It’s interesting that radlibs can sound just like the fuckers who defend skullgirls. I never said shit about how any of them are actually dressed, only about how their clothing is drawn, but just like you so readily misunderstand this as though I was reacting to a picture of actual women rather than drawings, when I discuss how the clothes are drawn, you talk about this. If these were real women doing some “Women of BRICS” thing for some bizarre reason, I would have nothing that I wanted to say about it because there would be no point. Hell, if it turned out that these are semi-accurate drawings of actual people who have some reason to be picked as models beyond nationality and marketability [e.g. that they were “Miss Brazil,” etc.], I wouldn’t want to say anything. This is not the case, it’s just horny posting, and it’s telling that half the replies I got the first time were obtuse ones like this and the other half were “actually the artist is a lesbian [and maybe trans? idr] so actually you are attacking the sexual expression of a minority who already frequently has their sexuality attacked”. The premises are different but the conclusion is the same, and these two camps don’t dispute each other. Really makes you think thonk

              It’s PG-13 polandball hooters. I don’t give a shit if you like your slop like that, but a trough is a trough.

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                Christ. I don’t know what I can say to make you realize how much of creep you’re being about this. It’s incredibly weird and alienating. I guess I’ll just go line by line.

                It’s interesting that radlibs can sound just like the fuckers who defend skullgirls.

                Do you also find it “interesting” how perverts and leftists both oppose forcing women to wear burqas?

                I never said shit about how any of them are actually dressed, only about how their clothing is drawn,

                Obviously the way they’re dressed is relevant, and if they were dressed less conservatively, you’d 100% use that as evidence for your position. You don’t get to write that off on the basis that you didn’t mention it, you didn’t mention it for a reason.

                but just like you so readily misunderstand this as though I was reacting to a picture of actual women rather than drawings

                Nowhere did I do this, this is an outright lie.

                This is not the case, it’s just horny posting, and it’s telling that half the replies I got the first time were obtuse ones like this and the other half were “actually the artist is a lesbian [and maybe trans? idr] so actually you are attacking the sexual expression of a minority who already frequently has their sexuality attacked”. The premises are different but the conclusion is the same, and these two camps don’t dispute each other. Really makes you think

                Oh my god! It’s almost like two people can arrive at the same conclusion for different reasons! And both lines of reasoning are correct. It’s both less horny than you creeps are making it out to be, and even if it were that horny it wouldn’t be that bad. Either way, your nonsense is by far the bigger issue that needs to be addressed.

                Honestly I’m not even going to try reasoning anymore because this shit where you project your own horniness onto a perfectly ordinary drawing is both really gross and pretty offensive. You are being far more sexist and objectifying than this art ever was.

                Here’s your PPB PIGPOOPBALLS

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                  Do you also find it “interesting” how perverts and leftists both oppose forcing women to wear burqas?

                  Seriously go fuck yourself. What I’m talking about is the bad faith bullshitting about “this isn’t objectifying” by pretending that they don’t have the most basic media literacy. Your comment right here is actually the most perfect example! I never said a single thing about the attire of actual women. I am talking about a drawing! (I’m also not even talking about the wardrobe in the drawing, but that’s too difficult a concept so we will set it aside).

                  There is a profound difference between how a woman expresses herself with the clothes she wears on her own body versus how someone draws imaginary characters. Equivocating between disliking waifus and insisting on burqas is the most reddit-logo - tier rhetorical bullshit imaginable. These aren’t real women in the real world, how does this need to be explained?

                  Nowhere did I do this, this is an outright lie.

                  Not only was it not a lie, you demonstrated that exact point again in the part I previously quoted by again conflating the politics of personal presentation vs art of fictional characters.

                  Obviously the way they’re dressed is relevant, and if they were dressed less conservatively, you’d 100% use that as evidence for your position. You don’t get to write that off on the basis that you didn’t mention it, you didn’t mention it for a reason.

                  I’m not complaining about something that is a complete non-issue. If it was an issue, perhaps I would complain about it, but the people characterizing my argument as though this non-issue was my issue are mistaken.

                  I think the more liberal attire is suitable for the USA waifu just like Eliza’s costume in Skullgirls suits her character (for mostly-different reasons). There are other waifus for whom it would be more gross, as there are Skullgirls characters for whom it is very gross (though these reasons only partially overlap).

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                    I never said a single thing about the attire of actual women. I am talking about a drawing!

                    I never said you said anything about actual women! You’re lying again.

                    What I said is that two people can both oppose your puritanical bullshit for different reasons, and I used a real life analogy to illustrate that point.

                    I’m not complaining about something that is a complete non-issue. If it was an issue, perhaps I would complain about it, but the people characterizing my argument as though this non-issue was my issue are mistaken.

                    So you can dissect every piece of art and if you find one single element that you consider horny, the rest of the drawing is completely irrelevant? What fucking bullshit standard is that? Completely unreasonable.

                    You go fuck yourself PIGPOOPBALLS