Can you please stop posting users numbers until the bot situation is under control? Putting it like you’re doing is misleading, half of them are bots (if not more).
When will the bot situation be under control?
I’m not denying the bot situation. These posts are for record keeping, and people in this thread seem aware of the bot situation. We need to get more eyes on this.
You’re welcome to start a conversation about how to solve the bot issue. I’d love to participate.
Post user activity instead? That has been suggested many times already as a far more reliable metric.
Not knowing when the bots will be under control is NOT a good reason to post misleading info, and you should know it.
Any particular website that you go to for post user activity?
I’m seeing total user comments quadrupled in the last 2 days alone (from 800k to 4+ million).
The site you linked has it, first graph is “Average Lemmy Active Users by Day” (hard to miss honestly), after that there’s the one you’re posting.
there’s also this (select active instead of total users): https://the-federation.info/platform/73
and this (check active instead of total): https://fedidb.org/software/lemmy
Geez I read your comment too fast and thought you meant “post user activity”. Thanks for sharing.
You’re welcome :)
Are you a bot microwave?
I’m totally human.
That’s exactly what a bot would say!
Lol, your user name is how I pronounced nginx for years
That’s where I got the name from lol. You’re literally the only person who’s ever pronounced it correct ;)
What a weird way to pronounce that…
Silence!
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If you can’t use critical thinking skills to analyze these numbers and understand bots are included, idk what to tell you bro. We can’t censor the world cause of a few dumb people.
With that said user activity, number of posts, number of comments submitted per day would be a nice metric to look at.
If you don’t know what misleading means, idk what to tell you “bro”
We’re all bros here can we please get along?
I’m getting along fine with everyone, OP included (that got the point and Is now publishing reliable metrics), but if someone accuse me of wanting censorship just because I point out some info are misleading, you can’t expect me to say nothing about it, can you?
Tbh it seems to be mostly bots adding to that growth. Don’t get me wrong, I’d like to see the fediverse grow, but if it’s overrun with bots… no one will want to stick around.
So far it looks like most of the bots are just signing up - not posting anything.
The calm before the storm
Why do you say it’s mostly bots?
There was an exploit released a few days back that could make thousands extremely fast (unsure of the number).The two top user instances at this point have 50k new users a piece, and 10 users active, lol.
The relevant instances might as well remove non-active accounts that do not participates (e.g. upvotes or downvotes), I guess it would be enough to remove most of them
Wouldn’t a bot account be more likely to randomly upvote/downvote than a human?
Reddit always had a large number of lurkers who only had accounts to select which subs they wanted to see…
Maybe. If the bots have been created by opportunism during the vulnerability, they may still be “dormant” until their owner find something to do with it. So I wouldn’t be surprise they are not doing anything yet.
Ah, stupid that people do stuff like that.
I also suspect they’re all bots.
I joined when users were 10k and I didn’t see any increase in engagement including comments and upvotes.
Reddit’s mostly bots too, and the rest are scroll zombies. We just need to hope that people who generate content and discussion show up too; just a few thousand would be enough to get the ball rolling.
Me here, fuck u/spez🖕
Fuck him!
I got a kick out of knowing he had millions of fuck /u/spez tags. He must know he’s a bellend before being rich. His disaster bunker article was absolutely hilarious.
If only that article was more popular, it really explains why he’s such a little child regarding the whole API fiasco.
once a few of the reddit mobile apps switch users will flood in.
Sync’s dev is making a Fediverse app, and a ton of Apollo-inspired apps will eventually show up for iOS. Christian joining in on the fun would be sick, but…honestly, I highly doubt it.
Hope @ruud is prepared for Jun 30 when RIF will go down… redditors will flood us
As has been asked every time, how many are bots?
Yeah there are some irresponsible instance owners out there letting bots register.
yeah, the largest one is k6qw, with 52 thousand users, but only 4 users online atm compared to lemmy.world, 42.8 thousand users, 5.63 thousand online
edit: source: https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/list
Honestly, if these instances don’t get their act together, I’d vote on my instance to defederate from it.
I’m usually not one calling for defederating, it seems like a liability, though.
My thought were the same way about not wanting to call for defederation, but after thinking about it and owning an instance of my own now, I realize that that is the whole point. Instance owners can block entire instances from federating with them. If every instance blocks an instance that is a bad actor then they literally can’t federate with anyone and that solves the issue.
The beauty of the fediverse and the power of ownership is being able to take decisions like these.
It’s like digital socialism! (Or something)
Many were probably set up expressly for one user. They may be just newbies who followed an install guide but without any clue about how to administer a server. Is there no way to contact these owners? Refreshing a user dB is simple.
Not me lol
Exactly what a bot would say
Me either. I am a human person just like all of you!
Negative, I am a meat popsicle.
Welcome fellow human. It is great to be a human is it not?
floppy disk drive noises
Hello fellow human. I too identify as homo sapien.
So many of us good people. It is nice.
Welcome, non-bot!
I guess it’s kind of like the saying bad ice effects both teams. Both reddit and the federation are going to have bots. Competitors aren’t differentiating bot accounts vs user accounts, so why should the federation?
How many people browsed reddit without an account, but made one for lemmy to show support?
At least one.I’m sure that reddit and others are aware of bots and doing things to control that situation.
Musk complained and tried to worm his way out of the Twitter deal by accusing them of padding user accounts with bots. With an upcoming IPO, Reddit may not be interested in culling bots right now - not when some of us have already fleddit.😅
I do concur though, the fediverse does need to find a way of getting owners doing captcha or something similar by default.
My first lemmy post. Here as a reddit refugee. Looking forward to watching a new community develop as reddit seems intent to go down the road of enshitification. I bailed on FB and Instagram as they enshitified. Reddit looks to be next.
My first as well. Been on Reddit for a long enough to remember the DIGG exodus when they killed themselves. Interesting to see it happen again.
Never thought reddit would go down that path, but glad we have alternatives now.
im also a reddit refugee.
It’s mostly bots, but so is Reddit. The real question is, how many of these are active participants and contributors who’ll generate content and start communities?
I’ve been posting like a madman. I hope to kickstart some activity. If this place looks halfway attractive on July 1st, it should bring in enough new posters from 3PA to make more communities self sustaining.
I had to leave behind a few communities that were small even on reddit, and hope to rebuild them better here.
Yeah, having enough activity is the only way we can make this place a viable Reddit alternative. That, and good third-party apps for a better mobile experience than Reddit. That alone could give the platform a serious edge, especially since 3PA users were some of the most active people on Reddit.
I’m feeling more convinced this is the way to proceed here. Even if just for the next few months. If quality and numbers improve maybe we can ease off. However, for now, I’ll make it a point to be more chatty, and support quality content (especially what’s originating here). I will not just lurk like I did when I was a member of Spez’s turd world.
I came here four days ago and I’ve been commenting and voting on everything I see. I haven’t made any new posts but I’ve been pretty active otherwise.
Super important to make this place a viable alternative, rather than just another graveyard.
I’m not a bot, I used to post on Reddit only occasionally, (I was more of a lurker) and I only accessed it through the Apollo app. I strongly believe in the concept of decentralized platforms, and Apollo made Reddit more user-friendly by streamlining the tools, and reducing the number of ads. I recently joined Lemmy a few days ago and I already feel a surge of energy from enthusiastic migrant users like myself. If I thought my increased involvement here would contribute to meaningful discussions within the community, I will try to be more engaged. I hope that the influx of reddit users, including myself, can provide the boost that Lemmy needed without overwhelming the ‘instances’ themselves.
I’m not a bot
That’s exactly what a bot would say, a-ha!
But no seriously, I hope there’s enough of us here to make a meaningful difference; enough to give the internet a new ‘front page’.
I think it will be similar to reddit, where a small percentage of people produce content while the majority lurk. I used to lurk a lot on reddit, but I hope to change that here (I feel it’s important to be active to help drive activity).
That’s going to be any platform, really. I feel like there might be more content posters here literally for the reason of boosting it and hopefully having a competitor on equal grounds to reddit. Right now, reddit is still winning in content and features, but it obviously has been around for longer and has a massive user base. It will take time, but with enough motivation provided by the despise of spez, it’s possible. I don’t think it will take down reddit, but it will make reddit no longer the only option.
undefined> how many of these are active participants and contributors who’ll generate content and start communities?
count me in!
Welcome all you noobs
(don’t hit me, I just got here too)
Yeah, I’m here since we were at 5-10k… Like, two weeks ago lol
Lol it’s seriously crazy how much less active this place felt a couple of weeks ago. I can’t imagine what it’s like to be someone who was here years ago.
Right!? Even daily it seems like there’s more and more activity. I’m lovin itTM
Indeed. It’s getting better and better. Which means people are posting better quality stuff over here. “He who shall not be named” feels now a little weird when visiting it.
It feels old.
Is… is this an OG?
I just joined. Done with that godforsaken website Reddit. It’s taking a little getting used to, but I know I eventually will get a hang of it. I’m willing to put my time into this.
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I realized yesterday that i haven’t been on Reddit for 3 days, but have been on Lemmy every day. It’s refreshing.
Same. I’m barely checking reddit now.
Yes this is my situation as well. Not doom scrolling Reddit. But scrolling Lemmy with interest.
While this is good, I can’t help but feel that the branding of the decentralised social media ecosystem is hurting the growth a little bit. The -verse suffix, imo, is just too tainted from all the cryptobro metaverse scams and really makes this seem like some crypto scam as opposed to an alternative to the current crumbling social media platforms.
Regardless, I hope this ecosystem does take off, as it does seem useful and interesting.
If it means anything, universe and multiverse are the first that come to my mind.
That’s fair. Maybe I’m just chronically online, but it really skeeves me out how eerily similar some of the terms here are to crypto scams. Not saying this is one, obviously- as far as I can tell, there really isn’t any monetary incentive to run an instance-, but the language used at the moment can get uncomfortably close, which definitely might push people away.
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You’re really denouncing an entire decentralized open source eco system cause you don’t like that verse is a suffix that can be used for multiple things?
Jfc.
Please read what I said again. I don’t have an issue with the ecosystem, and I said as much in the original post. I have an issue with the branding of the ecosystem and am concerned that it’s hampering growth because of its associations with venture capitalists/crypto scams/metaverse scams, etc.
I’m one of them. Hello!
im another one.
And me - hello all.
Yes. This is the future I want. I hope to help make the lemmyverse a verse worth inhabiting.
Well they have porn so I’m here for it
Yeah I agree I’m already donating to lemmy hopefully more people can join in on that and make the fediverse a better place.
There are dozens of us! Baker’s dozens! (We come in 13s)
Now we just need to move all content from Reddit to here, so that when you research something on google, lemmy would have the answer instead of Reddit.
