• AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space
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    A contraction is a separate word, with its own accepted usages in the community. For example, “gonna” comes from “going to”, but is not the same, as “I’m gonna the shop, do you want anything?” sounds wrong

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      Sometimes they end up that way (at which point they stop being contractions). However, there are also cases where distinct syntactic words end up being pronounced as phonetically single words. Or, as my morphology professor put it, “word” is not a meaningful category.

      For example, consider the sentence “I’m happy”. What is the subject of this sentence? The verb? What part of speach is “I’m”?

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      Yeah, “gonna” needs to be followed by a verb for it to sound right, I think, with the exception of it being used as a response affirming they’ll be doing an action.
      “You gonna go to the store?”
      “I’m gonna, just gettin my shoes on first.”

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    Some times that rule applies, other times it doesn’t.

    Shall we find a situation that’s in the grey zone?

    Yeah, let’s!

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    Ever since I was a kid, I’ve had the dumb thought that if you and your friends are imprisoned, you’d ask the warden to “let’s out!”

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    Who’s to say that ending sentences in contractions is wrong? Perhaps you’d’ve, but I’dn’t’ve.

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    Afaik, English grammar requires utterances with predicates to have a stressed element in those predicates. Contractions of only a subject and an auxiliary verb - ex: I am > I’m, he has > he’s, they will > they’ll - eliminate that independent auxiliary as a prosodic segment and violate that grammar.

    A - “Who’s going to the store?”

    B - “I am.” [ok] or “I’m going.” [ok] (or “I am going.”), but not “I’m.” [bad, obvs].

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    Monty Python: It's.

    Let me teach you a thing: “have” can be “'ve” if it is an auxiliary verb. Ta-daah.

    I can’t help you or your fucky language with “'m” or “'s” or “'re”.

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      I see “'ve” used in the possessive context, it’s not super rare but it’s not super common

      I think it’s more common in some places

      “I’ve no idea what you two are doing” is a valid sentence

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        I have an apple - in this sentence, “have” is the main verb.

        I have bought an apple - here, “to buy” is the main verb, the main action, while “have” is the auxiliary verb that lets you form the past tense “have bought”. The word “auxiliary” means helpful or supportive, an auxiliary verb supports, as it were, the main verb.

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              I think it might be more common in British English? Like “I’ve a fiver says he muffs the kick.” Or “I’ve half a mind to go down there myself.” (Curiously in American English this latter would probably still have the contraction but add a second auxiliary verb: “I’ve got half a mind to…” English is such a mess.)

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                Yeah, it’s not as uncommon the UK to hear specifically “I’ve [x]” instead of “I’ve got [x]”. I won’t be told though that Brits say “the [x] that I’ve” ;D

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                  “I’ve got” seems particularly strange to me because without the contraction Americans would still just say “I have.” (There are some circumstances where they’ll say “I have got” without a contraction, but it’s mainly when they’re drawing a contrast with what they “haven’t got.” E.g., “No, I don’t have a baseball… oh, but I have got a lacrosse ball, will that work?”)

                  I think the rule is probably closer to “you don’t contract a stressed verb,” but that’s not terribly useful since there are so few rules about stress patterns. Verbs at the end of sentences are typically stressed, though, so you’re right that ending with that kind of contraction is going to sound wrong to most people.

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              lol, really?

              I’ve an apple in one hand, and I’ve an orange in the other.
              I’ve modernity all over me.

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            The contractions we say are more loose than what we write. Couldn’t’ve is my go to example.

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        Unfortunately I’ve studied English at uni thinking it might’ve in some capacity become useful by now. Alas, so far I’ve’d no opportunity to use the nonsense I’ve learnt other than to shitpost about it. Woe’m’st’ve’d is me.

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    I would never say YOU HAVE GOT MAIL without the contracion, I would say “you have mail”, and with the contraction in the shorter sentence it sounds British to say: “you’ve mail”

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    The contraction literally isn’t right. It only works with the adverb version of “have”.