• Eldritch@piefed.world
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    2 days ago

    100%. Ironically as bad as the mental gymnastics of trump supporters here. And oh the conniptions they go into if you mention it.

  • rockerface🇺🇦@lemmy.cafe
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    2 days ago

    Russification was stopped by soviets my entire ass. I wonder if they realize Stalin took a russian surname to blend in better.

    • ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works
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      The USSR did stop the Russification of imperial subjects as under the Tsar in favor of a new Soviet identity during the revolution and civil war. The nationalism of SSRs is something Lenin actually favored. “Korenizatsiia” it was called.

      When Stalin took power after Lenin’s death, the USSR then really made the effort to Russify that Soviet identity. This especially took off in the 30s.

      So like, they’re not wrong, even if it’s just glazing some nuance that’s probably not super helpful. And you can fault Stalin, easy, but nonetheless that dynamic of establishing a Soviet identity that wasn’t inherently ethnically Russian is something that did come out of the (early) USSR.

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        16 hours ago

        Further down the thread, the dude spoke positively of Stalin and went as far as to call Khrustchev revisionist. Also a lot of imperialism and russification was continued under Stalin. That is also the point. Lenin may not have done it, but his successors did.

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          15 hours ago

          went as far as to call Khrustchev revisionist.

          I mean Khrushchev explicitly announced the USSR was abandoning the concept of ‘dictatorship of the proletariat’. Lenin’s big thing was establishing the concept of the ‘dictatorship of the proletariat’ with the USSR. So all political criticisms aside, let’s be real: it’s not the most audacious thing for Khrushchev to be called.

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        24 hours ago

        I mean, Lenin wasn’t that hot on USSR having decentralised authority (or any besides his), as could be seen from the first election they tried to have. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Korenizatsiia was anything but an intentional fake freedom to keep everyone in line. But then that’s speculation on my part and it didn’t last long anyway.

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          22 hours ago

          Lenin actually wrote a fair bit about it and it contains some of the most pronounced criticism expressed towards ‘the Georgian’. He felt the chauvinism of ‘Great’ Russia needed to be countered specifically by deferring to indigenous minorities across the former Russian Empire.

          One of the things Lenin grappled with the most was the direct inheritance of the backwards and corrupt institutions of the Russian Empire. And probably more than that he did not want Stalin to inherit power, especially for his excessive chauvinism.