Disco Elysium is not a fucking cop game oh my god these people would have had some white woman running around in the Alps looking for a cat fucking christ.
I didn’t want to paint yet another boring painting of some paternal figure like “Saturn Devouring His Son” so I decided to paint Otto Von Bismarck instead.
I didn’t want to write another book about hunting whales after Moby Dick, so my new piece is about Elmer Fudd.
I didnt want to make yet another movie about some rich guy after citizen kane
Times have changed, people don’t want yet another story about some kid with daddy issues like Hamlet.
The whole bird thing is so last year, I don’t think I’d want to write a poem about birds like The Raven.
I didn’t want to make yet another capitalism-simulator after Return of the Obra Dinn.
Spies are in
ahh yes the famous non-cops of the CIA or COINTELPRO undercover agents. Yes it’s the profession description that’s the issue. fuck. We all love MI6, James Bond is such a cool guy and definitely not a cop.
I hate these people I spit on their graves I hope they all fucking die, killing the one beautiful game developer in its cradle and flying in and sniffing your own fucking farts about it oh my god they suck so much. “Oho the last game was just a cop game” oh my god you privileged PMC radlib Karen bugseller fucks
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PMC radlib Karen bugseller… Oh my God, I’ve solved the case!
I would’ve gotten away with it too, if it weren’t for you meddling kids and your stupid bug
Clearly you are not BMF cuz he never replied to replies to his comments.
He had also moved on from woke pmc karens, but i can’t recall what his last beef was
Had to change their act to fit in better. Famously, they were banned many, MANY times from posting after all.
people who hate cops famously love spies.
People are sick of “soldier movies” so I felt like we had to move on from “Come and See” which is why my new movie is about this BIPOC prison guard taking care of the plants in alligator Alcatraz.
Come and See is such a bummer but what if it was about a boy who lost his dog in the woods?
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I gave the demo a shot and it felt nigh instantly sauceless, I think “Our understanding is that disco elysium fans now don’t like cops anymore” is as good as an explanation as any. It feels deserved given the whole backstory but yet still sort of a shame, a good discolike about a spy does have potential precisely because spies and cops suck
spies are worse!
Also, cops are always a voyeuristic entry into everyone’s world, because they are tolerated. Similar to private eyes. Cops and Private eyes are a mechanism for engaging in a mystery storyline.
Yeah, agreed. I hate it, but cops have access to things/info that a storyteller needs, they have access to people, places, evidence, they come and go and are tolerated like you said. We’d still be making cop movies under communism cause cops have access. Like, wasnt The Departed based on a Chinese cop trilogy?
We’d still be making cop movies under communism
“Stop revisionist scum! I’ve been temporarily appointed via sortition by the People’s Committee for Investigation. Come with me and my subject-matter expert assistants, where we will something something communism jokes gulag.”
Sorry. I’d do better but it’s 4am, I spent 3 hours worrying over another post and now can barely spell.
Like, wasnt The Departed based on a Chinese cop trilogy?
Infernal Affairs from HK.
You do get a lot of crime/cop movies from the mainland too. The cops are required to always win.
There are lots with corrupt cops who lose, so at least there’s that
Shh! We’ll never get Disco Elysium 3: The Spycop Who Married Me
This statement sort of feels like they haven’t played the game.
Antiheroes are cursed
…i know disco elysium is highly lauded, but i just can’t bring myself to indulge police fetishism, so i’ll probably never play it…
If you’re talking a humiliation fetish, it’s definitely police fetishism
I don’t think anything in that game fetishizes police
Do you think Les Miserables is .about how prisons are cool because one of the main characters is a prison guard?
Edit:
One battle after another has a guard of a concentration camp in it, so I hope you didn’t watch that.
Fifth element has a charismatic depiction of an evil capitalist, that’s bad.
Sinners shows the Clan and I remember it as if one of the Clan guys seems kind of chill on the first meeting, that’s too bad.
Lolita isn’t about how cool it is to be a pedophile.
Frankenstein isn’t about how awesome it is to be a shitty dad.
Richard the III isn’t about how cool it is to lie and cheat and kill your friends and family.Engaging on a surface-level with text of “what profession does this character have?” isn’t a good way of going about the world, your politics or sharpening your mind.
Actually, Fifth Element is bad because it was directed by a pedophile who multiple women have accused of SA.
No no no, that’s not how we do critique of art. You have to look at wether or not something like a capitalist is depicted with any positive qualities. For example Wonder Woman is bad because it has a CIA agent in it.
More seriously I do think there is a discussion about art and artist being separate, but it’s not one I feel competent enough to have. Harry Potter isn’t bad because J. K Rowling sucks. The Louis CK tv series isn’t bad because Louis is a piece of shit who assaults women (though that knowledge has made the series shift from comedy to a horror in a lot of scenes).
Fifth element has a lot that can be critiqued, like the whole “Born Sexy Yesterday” trope.
But art and artist is connected, so even though the art itself might be fine enough, there can still be reason to avoid it because of the artist - Fifth Element because of who directed it (though I disagree with this one, I feel like there has to be some consequence of “supporting” said artist. Like how Rowling considers people lining Harry Potter to be tacit support of her transphobia); whatever ZA/UM shits out because of what they did; a third example that makes you think I’m really smart; a fourth example that makes you think I didn’t get it at all; and so on.Was this just a whole lot of nothing, or did I say something?
i assume there are “javert was right” weirdos?
Anything is possible, chuds love starship troopers and jarhead. I’m personally a bit of a Richard III was misunderstood-weirdo.
Edit: I seriously dream of seeing a version of Richard III that focuses in on his body dysmorphia, his weird misogyny and how his mother has hated him from birth (maybe, there’s so many ways to read their relationship. The way she talks to him at the end, the way she mistrusts him… Was it always like this, or is it a result of his actions? What came first?)
There’s some cool Norman Bates story there. The guy is physically capable enough to be a great warrior, he can seduce the widow of a man he killed, yet he’s apparently so ugly that no woman could ever love him - even just physically. Despite the fact he’s rich as fuck and brother to the king.
He’s charming as hell, but says noone could be his friend. He’s a great administrator, but talks about how he couldn’t be. There’s such an interesting thing going on with him, and I’ve never seen it dealt with in a way that scratched the itch. The Ian McKellen movie is great, but he’s a villain there, not some sad creature or abandoned kid, which I think he could be. That play is so good.I mean, Richard the 3rd the real guy was slandered fucking hard by the play. Shakespeare was motivated in many was to shit talk the ancestors of non-Tudor royalty
It being propaganda is part of what makes him so fascinating to me. Especially if you also take his character in Henry VI into account as well.
What was the intention with him? Shakespeare is one of the greatest writers of all time, his characters have so much depth and each line has 17 different ways to be read.
So when he makes a character open up the play with a monologue that basically can be read as “hello, I am an evil piece of shit and I suck so fucking much that I have nothing to do in peacetime. So I’m going to kill my brothers and usurp the throne. I will do this because I am ugly and unloveable.” Then I get intrigued. Was this just an attempt at sloppy propaganda where there is no deeper reading? Or was it Shakespeare’s intention to have the depth that is available where you can see someone who absolutely loathes themselves and you get hints of why.
When his mother hates him, is that then because “he’s evil so of course she hates him” propaganda, or is it because of a deeper psychological aspect. I honestly don’t know and that’s really cool in my eyes. This might have been one of the only times Willy was just phoning it in and being literal - yeah he’s a piece of shit bad guy, here’s a monologue where he admits it himself.Compare Richard to Iago. Both evil assholes, both charismatic monsters. Iago still gets some weird psychosexual depth and motivation that makes him more than a charicature. That same depth is available to Richard, but only if we choose to read it like such - and that might be a “wrong” reading. The intention might have been to just make him a literal cartoon villain.
The current climate can’t do this well, but I would love to see a version of Richard III where he’s a repressed trans person. I wish there was a big time trans director that could make that.Also Romeo and Juliet is a comedy and practically every director misses that even though it’s a common take
The original is the opposite, you are a useless alcoholic detective who stumbles through a murder investigation in the middle of a labor crisis
Reading the casefile about the impossible case really messed me up. That’s the kind of guy I am?
Like the post said, it’s the opposite. The closest thing is that your cop partner Kim is awesome (not you though), really patient considering the BS he watches you do, and part of the homosexual underground. And you can (sort of) specialise in reading his and the few other cops’ thoughts.
Some people think it does fetishize communism, but I think it critiques enough too.
Playing a fascism playthrough is also an excellent indictment of Kim. He’s still there. Sure he might tell you off, but he’s still there. He doesn’t stop you, he doesn’t stop being a cop. If you shoot cunoesse, Kim lets you.
I haven’t done the fascist playthrough, but I heard Kim ends that quest by telling you that you’re fucking stupid, which is good enough. He’s not gonna drop the case because his temporary partner turns out to be facist, and if he decides to trust you anyway, that’s probably by you being good otherwise.
Same with rolling his eyes over you becoming racist, but, at least you are helpful? Better than the unhelpful racist.
Shooting Cunoesse is stupid, and could be meant as Kim also being a bastard cop in the end (more than bribes), but I’m blaming the game railroading him into being with you, since he’s crucial.
Kim telling you you are fucking stupid, which is good enough.
One of the other questlines ends with the government disappearing you. That Kim can barely muster up some disagreement is not good enough. The fascist playthrough is such a great showing of “there are no good cops”. And when I say fascist I don’t just mean the ideological quest, I mean playing the game as a fascist piece of shit.
I’m mainly paraphrasing some long essay I read about it a while ago, but that’s the point - Kim calls you out, but he doesn’t change anything. He’s basically the guy looking on sadly as the other cop chokes out George Floyd. Marginally better. I’ll see if I can find it, it’s really thought provoking.
Same with rolling his eyes over you becoming racist, but, at least you are helpful?
Rolling your eyes at your racist colleague does nothing. Letting your racist colleague spend three days being a drunken oaf and not stepping in…
He wouldn’t have to drop the case, he could reach out to either precinct about your massive misconduct. Instead he will support you, pay your rent and so on - when he could have gotten someone else sent out instead… These things are indictments. He will shake his head, he will tell you off, but that’s all he will do. He’ll still stand by your side.
Kim is only as good as you are. If you play a “realistic” cop, then he is shown for the moralist that he is - or can be, depending on the story.I personally have a lot of faith in the games writing, so that when he doesn’t stop you from killing cunoesse or doesn’t give you a game over elsewhere, that’s not an accident. That’s on purpose. Shooting cunoesse is a game over, it could just as easily have ended with Kim stepping in.
I haven’t done the fascist playthrough, but I heard Kim ends that quest by telling you that you’re fucking stupid, which is good enough
Is it though? That’s like a fascist complaining their partner is a dumb kind of fascist.
Kim is meant to be a likeable character but he’s definitely not praise of the police. He’s written to be at least complicit in the various crimes of the police.
But not really past the point of what you get from a lot of copaganda.
Sure. I personally read him as intended to convey that even the “good cops” are bastards. I’m personally of the philosophy that things don’t need to be handed to the player/reader/etc on a plate—depending on the degree to which you agree, one might think that Kim should’ve been more clearly/explicitly a bastard, but like, imo the game is from a cop’s pov and from the pov of a character who has a good relationship with Kim, and what the game does with writing him as a bastard whilst still being personally likeable from the pov of the protagonist is well-done.
Disco Elysium’s writing is not subtle.
the devs are communists tbf, the game’s just very “nobody can tear you down like your own friends can” about it
It’s a little “friend who’s too woke” to say you’ll never engage in media with police as the protagonist. No Law & Order? No Columbo? No Zootopia? No like half of 80s action movies? Your media consumption habits have nothing to do with your morality, so chill out a little.
law and order and columbo are old people shows. i’m not the subreddit poster who wanted to fuck the bunny cop.
honestly 80s action movies are old people shit too
but i liked some of them. zootopia is the only one of those that people under 30 probably were intoYour media consumption habits have nothing to do with your morality
so about that new harry potter show…
Dont you dare drag Columbo down with Law and Order. Columbo is absolutely fantastic. Columbo somehow got a job where he only investigates murders where the suspect is rich and then defeats them by being overwhelmingly working class at them until they break down
Wth that sounds awesome. Guess I’m starting Columbo tomorrow.
Columbo is a reverse whoddunnit every episode, which is also so cool. Best episode is probably any old port in a storm, but they’re all great. They’re all standalone, so you can watch in any order you’d like
Each episode is a TV movie, so they’re all about an hour. Columbo was on a rotation with 2 other mystery shows doing the same thing at the time. So it aired once every 3 weeks and was longer and higher budget than most tv. So just be prepared for a longer sit. The first episode is based on the stage play the character came from and was meant to be a one off and then theres a pilot movie, whixh are both great but theres kind of a season 0 to look for that way. First episode of season 1 is directed by Spielberg before he was famous
it’s still old people shit because it’s old. that’s not a quality indicator i was explaining why somebody might’ve not watched any of that shit on account of not being old
People hate harry potter because jk Rowling spends the money it earns on oppressing trans people and explicitly says that the popularity of harry potter shows that she’s right to do so, not because it’s lib slop.
It can always be both. Harry Potter didn’t actually teach a generation to read so much as it taught a generation to not read anything else.
Columbo is goated. Watch any old port in a storm.
so about that new harry potter show…
The issue with harry potter isn’t it’s content, but its production as far as I understand it. The content of Harry Potter is average libshit, it’s all the surrounding stuff that has made harry potter be more than just media consumption.
it’s all the surrounding stuff that has made harry potter be more than just media consumption.
This. If it wasn’t providing money and support to fascists, we wouldn’t be having issues with people wanting to watch it, and maybe even actively encouraging queer readings of it (he was literally forced in the closet by his guardians after all).
Kind of similar to how I find the press about the new game ZA/UM releases to be more than just annoying, and how I would consider it to be some sort of moral failure to buy it if the buyer knows anything about what has happened.
Out of the loop, what exactly has happened?
Basically the people who made the game got ratfucked out of the studio and the IP by the people who financed part of the development. The financers took control of the studio and then hired a bunch of new people (From what I could read a lot of rich brits among them, the types that usually get to have some say in culture because their parents have money and connections, vapid saltburn types. Some I assume are good people) and are now releasing this new game that is talked about in OPs image.
They then tried to do PR management by sharing stories about how the lead on the game development was a bit of an asshole, while not really going into who he was an asshole to or why or giving time to the many other people also fucked out of the company who also were really pissed about how everything went down.
Some would say this is a biased retelling. I would say it is not biased enough
the subreddit poster who wanted to fuck the bunny cop
Poor guy made one post that was kinda cringe and now he’ll never live it down
To be fair it was very cringe
so about that new harry potter show…
You can watch something with the full expectation of hating it. I honestly do that as much as I watch things I actually like, though I wouldn’t recommend that habit in particular.
…nope, none of the above: not a moral position, just don’t care for the genre at all…
(always found its fundamental power fantasy cartoonish + distasteful; even when the narrative tropes are subverted, the genre tropes remain offensive + played-out ad nauseum)
nope, none of the above: not a moral position, just don’t care for the genre at all.
But that’s not what you said. You presented your aversion to the game on moral grounds, not on the grounds of “Its just not for me”
Power fantasy
The power fantasy of being a broke deadbeat alcoholic? And how would you know what the game is about or what it does if you haven’t played it?
The power fantasy of being a broke deadbeat alcoholic?
I wish I had the confidence to beg everyone I meet for money and cry in front of strangers, that’s the real power fantasy.
Whenever I see guys running around looking for pfand in order to make enough money to stay off the streets for one more day I know I feel jealous of their powerful position
…think you must be confusing someone else’s post: i said that i can’t bring myself to indulge police fetishism, nothing there about morality…
Saying Disco Elysium is a piece of police fetishism is imparting a moral judgement on it. Especially when your base for that valuation is… well seemingly nothing. Saying “any game that has a cop in it is doing police fetishism” is a moral position
