Proton denied all 47 requests for user data this year, making it 458 rejected since 2019, not a single one fulfilled.
That’s great, but do they still support and finance far-right youtubers?
It’s important to note that they specified Proton VPN, in which case, the claim is correct. This is due in part to how no-log VPNs work.
Proton Mail, however (from your example), is harder to anonymize, as is any encrypted email service, because they necessarily have to store data for the user; even if they can’t see the contents of an email, they inevitably store data like where a message came from. Additionally, every service is subject to the laws of the country in which they operate. In the case of the activists, Proton Mail was legally compelled to reveal what data they had stored, and it was enough for the investigating government to put the jackboot upon those activists.
I’m certainly not saying Proton is the best company, and I don’t personally use their services on purpose, but the claim being made here about their VPN is nonetheless correct.
, not a single one fulfilled
Now that is some gaslighting. Proton handed over environmental activists to a fascist state quite after 2019.
IIRC that was for Proton Mail not Proton VPN. Yes they’re owned by the same company, but a VPN handing over your IP is arguably worse that an email provider.
https://proton.me/legal/transparency Scoll down and check Protonmail… They did these from beginning Dude…
This is the new transparency report from after 2021… They lied back then, too… The same thing will happen with VPN now as well…
It’s funny how people who engage in gaslighting here or just copy others get upvotes, while the others get downvotes… F… this community
It’s exactly the same as when i pointed out problems with grapheneOS using facts and evidence… I’m so glad I deleted everything from that hypocritical community.
Swiss legal system work as intended.
This website is unreadable with an ad blocker.
it shows just fine to me with uBlock Origin and a fairly aggressive filter list, what issues are you having?
Looks fine here aswell
Proton has lied outrageously in the past (since its founding) and then, in 2021, updated its website regarding IP storage—or rather, removed the statement claiming that no IP addresses are stored. You definitely shouldn’t trust that statement.
Do you have an article about that? I don’t remember hearing about this
Legal requests by law enforcement / government can often be followed up on. If someone was unmasked in a way that could be used in court, then we’d see it being used in court?
https://cyberinsider.com/protonmail-logs-users/
In 2021, it caused quite a stir when they removed the “We do not keep any IP logs” statement… Anyway, I was already in contact with them about this back in 2019, and all I got from them were lies. Nevertheless, Proton is still the least worst provider. (Unfortunately, I didn’t save the answers.)
It goes without saying, of course, that Proton must abide by the law, and there’s nothing wrong with that. What is reprehensible, however, is that they did this for years while claiming something else on their website, thereby deceiving users—and that this lie gave them a competitive advantage over other providers who were upfront and honest from the start, resulting in those providers attracting fewer users because people were more likely to go with Proton due to the deception.
So what’s a good alt to proton
This article is about Proton VPN, not Proton Mail. Proton is the parent company, but because of the way the technologies work, there’s different considerations you would need to make, especially if you’re an activist on a government’s shitlist.
Mail has to store data like where a message came from and who is the recipient. Doesn’t matter if the rest of the message is encrypted, and a government might find that to be enough to abuse someone.
A VPN, however, can drop a given connection’s endpoint data the millisecond it’s not needed. This is basically how no-log VPNs work.
I don’t use Proton, but given that Chat Control is now the law of the land in the EU, the options for a “safe” VPN are getting ever smaller as authoritarianism threatens to break cryptography and privacy in a vain effort to “protect the children.”
As I said, it’s still the least bad provider. As for VPNs, I definitely won’t name my provider (it doesn’t have to be public), but before I’d use Proton VPN, I’d rather go with Mullvad. Rent a VPS outside the 5/9/14 Eyes alliance and set up a vpn there yourself, etc. Combine all of this with I2P or Tor. Encrypt emails separately with PGP.
But it’s 2026… Western countries are already taking action against all of that anyway.
