• ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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      During the 1932 Holodomor Famine, the USSR sent aid to affected regions in an attempt to alleviate the famine. According to Mark Tauger in his article, The 1932 Harvest and the Famine of 1933:

      While the leadership did not stop exports, they did try to alleviate the famine. A 25 February 1933 Central Committee decree allotted seed loans of 320,000 tons to Ukraine and 240,000 tons to the northern Caucasus. Seed loans were also made to the Lower Volga and may have been made to other regions as well. Kul’chyts’kyy cites Ukrainian party archives showing that total aid to Ukraine by April 1933 actually exceeded 560,000 tons, including more than 80,000 tons of food

      Some bring up massive grain exports during the famine to show that the Soviet Union exported food while Ukraine starved. This is fallacious for a number of reasons, but most importantly of all the amount of aid that was sent to Ukraine alone actually exceeded the amount that was exported at the time.

      Aid to Ukraine alone was 60 percent greater than the amount exported during the same period. Total aid to famine regions was more than double exports for the first half of 1933.

      According to Tauger, the reason why more aid was not provided was because of the low harvest

      It appears to have been another consequence of the low 1932 harvest that more aid was not provided: After the low 1931, 1934, and 1936 harvests procured grain was transferred back to peasants at the expense of exports.

      Tauger is not a communist, and ultimately this specific article takes the view that the low harvest was caused by collectivization (he factors in the natural causes of the famine in later articles, based on how he completely neglects to mention weather in this article at all its clear that his position shifted over the years). However, its interesting to see that the Soviets really did try to alleviate the famine as best as they could.

      https://www.jstor.org/stable/2500600

      Also, don’t know if you were aware, but famines were common in tsarist Russia and were one of the major factors driving the revolution. So, then one last famine happens before the new system is fully established, and all you trolls point at it as if it’s evidence that the system doesn’t work. Seems like it’s more relevant that there were no famines in USSR going forward and people ate more nutritious food than Americans.

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    I lost just as many of my grandparents and great grandparents generations of my family to the soviet gulags as to the nazi concentration camps. My family used to be huge, everybody had 5 to 10 siblings. Very few survived.

    And communism didn’t end in Poland till 1989, and nobody who lived through that had anything nice to say about it as it was corrupt as hell.

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    It’s missing “victims of feudalism” and Xinjiang.
    Missing pieces related.

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        Ah yeah everyone that critiques ML communism has to be fascist. Social democrats, anarchists, non ML marxists etc just seem to non existent when MLs try to defend their propaganda. Pretty weak reply tbh

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          It’s very funny that you guys have adopted the 2015 chud thing of saying “you lefties just call anyone a fascist!” While explicitly repeating fascist talking points.

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              “Everyone”

              Looks inside

              One person who was repeating actual Hearst Press Nazi propaganda

              Every time

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                Its so funny that your exact argument is mentioned and refuted in the linked video in my original comment. Feel free to watch it, its made in good faith from someone who would love to see MLs actually engage with their historical revisionism.

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                  If you can’t even advocate for your uselessly myopic worldview yourself, why should anyone else do it for you? If you have something of substance to say, say it. Say anything that isn’t standard internet argument-pattern vagueposting or sweeping incorrect generalizations .

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      https://www.villagevoice.com/in-search-of-a-soviet-holocaust/

      The story is a fraud. The starving girl, it turns out, wasn’t found in 1932 or 1933, nor in the Ukraine. Her picture was taken from a Red Cross bulletin on the 1921-22 Volga famine, for which no one claims genocide. Rather than an emblem of persecution, the photograph advances the most cyni­cal of swindles — a hoax played out from the White House and Congress through the halls of Harvard to the New York State Department of Education. Pressing every pedal, pulling all the strings, is a Ukrainian nationalist lobby straining to cloak its own history of Nazi collabora­tion. By revising their past, these émigrés help support a more ambitious revision­ism: a denial of Hitler’s holocaust against the Jews.

      There was indeed a famine in the Ukraine in the early 1930s. It appears likely that hundreds of thousands, possi­bly one or two million, Ukrainians died — ­the minority from starvation, the major­ity from related diseases. By any scale, this is an enormous toll of human suffer­ing. By general consensus, Stalin was partially responsible. By any stretch of an honest imagination, the tragedy still falls short of genocide.

      In the latest catalogue for The Noontide Press, a Liberty Lobby affiliate run by flamboyant fascist Willis Carto, The Harvest of Sorrow is listed cheek-by-jowl with such revisionist tomes as The Auschwitz Myth and Hitler at My Side. To hype the Conquest book and its ter­ror-famine, the catalogue notes: “The act of genocide against the Ukrainian people has been supressed [sic] until recently, perhaps because a real ‘Holocaust’ might compete with a Holohoax.”

      For those unacquainted with Noontide jargon, the “Holohoax” refers to the Nazi slaughter of six million Jews.

      “They’re always looking to come up with a number bigger than six million,” observed Eli Rosenbaum, general counsel for the World Jewish Congress. “It makes the reader think: ‘My god, it’s worse than the Holocaust.’ ”

      The original reporting about the “manmade famine” was by a journalist very closely associated with the Nazis in Germany and the USA named Gareth Jones. He happened to publish his articles in the newspapers of William Randolph Hearst, a major supporter of the Nazi party in the USA.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gareth_Jones_(journalist)

      In late January and some of February 1933, Jones was in Germany covering the accession to power of the Nazi Party, and he was in Leipzig on the day Adolf Hitler was appointed Chancellor. Some three weeks later, on 23 February in the Richthofen, “the fastest and most powerful three-motored aeroplane in Germany”, Jones, along with Sefton Delmer, became the first foreign journalists, after he became Chancellor, to fly with Hitler. They accompanied Hitler and Joseph Goebbels to Frankfurt where Jones reported for the Western Mail on the new Chancellor’s tumultuous acclamation in that city. He wrote that if the Richthofen had crashed the history of Europe would be changed.

      It really would have been good if that plane did crash.

      In March 1933, he travelled to the Soviet Union for a third time. On 10th March, he left Moscow for the Russian Black Earth District, south of Belogorod, and the Kharkov district of the Ukrainian SSR, on a journey made possible by an invitation from Oscar Ehrt, Vice Consul at the German Consulate in Kharkov. The Vice Consul’s son, Adolf Ehrt, was a leading Nazi propagandist who became head of Goebbels’ Anti-Komintern agency.

      Hearst published Jones’s account of what had happened in Ukraine. Hearst also arranged for Jones to undertake a lecture and broadcast tour of the US.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Randolph_Hearst

      With “AMERICA FIRST” emblazoned on his newspaper masthead, Hearst celebrated the “great achievement” of the new Nazi regime in Germany—a lesson to all “liberty-loving people.” In 1934, after checking with Jewish leaders, Hearst visited Berlin to interview Adolf Hitler. When Hitler asked why he was so misunderstood by the American press, Hearst retorted: “Because Americans believe in democracy, and are averse to dictatorship.”[60] William Randolph Hearst instructed his reporters in Germany to give positive coverage of the Nazis, and fired journalists who refused to write stories favorable of German fascism. Hearst’s papers ran columns without rebuttal by Nazi leader Hermann Göring, Alfred Rosenberg, and Hitler himself, as well as Mussolini and other dictators in Europe and Latin America. After the systematic massive Nazi attacks on Jews known as Kristallnacht (November 9–10, 1938), the Hearst press, like all major American newspapers, blamed Hitler and the Nazis: “The entire civilized world is shocked and shamed by Germany’s brutal oppression of the Jewish people,” read an editorial in all Hearst papers. “You [Hitler] are making the flag of National Socialism a symbol of national savagery,” read an editorial written by Hearst. Despite this, following the Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union in 1941, Hearst wrote a column in the New York Journal-American the following day, praising Hitler as the “saviour of Europe”, expressed regret that the British policy of “co-operation with Hitler against communism was thrown out” and had hope that “peace can still be made and Europe united against the expansion of Asiatic Communism”.

      There was a bad famine throughout the region (the last one) that was exacerbated by many issues, but it was not a deliberate policy at any level of the USSR. This is propaganda that has been leveraged by many elements of international capital and fascists for decades to support “double genocide theory” that equivocates the USSR as being as bad as Nazi Germany (Stalin as bad as Hitler), which is completely false.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_genocide_theory

      According to American ethnographer and Professor of Russian and East European Studies at the University of Pennsylvania Kristen Ghodsee, efforts to institutionalize the “double genocide thesis”, or the moral equivalence between the Nazi Holocaust (race murder) and the victims of communism (class murder), in particular the push during the 2008 financial crisis for commemoration of the latter in Europe, can be seen as the response by economic and political elites to fears of a leftist resurgence in the face of devastated economies and extreme social inequalities in both the Eastern and Western worlds as the result of the excesses of neoliberal capitalism. She says that any discussion of the achievements by Communist states, including literacy, education, women’s rights, and social security is usually silenced, and any discourse on the subject of communism is focused almost exclusively on Joseph Stalin’s crimes and the “double genocide thesis”, an intellectual paradigm summed up as such: “1) any move towards redistribution and away from a completely free market is seen as communist; 2) anything communist inevitably leads to class murder; and 3) class murder is the moral equivalent of the Holocaust.” By linking all leftist and socialist ideals to the excesses of Stalinism, Ghodsee posits that the elites hope to discredit and marginalize all political ideologies that could “threaten the primacy of private property and free markets”.

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    Victims of capitalism tend to die from malicious or callous actions. Victims of communism, if you want to call it that, tend to just die because of incompetent leaders than anything else.