I know this is just a meme and all but I don’t think that holding the opinion stated in the title of this post is going to do anyone any better. Yes, there are some dumbasses who you shouldn’t engage with but saying this about the entire ‘right’ will lead to nothing but further polarisation of opinions in the community, which I think everyone can agree is not a good outcome.
Someone once told me „you can agree with the observation but disagree with the conclusions drawn from them“.
Disagreements are good, being close minded isn’t
Mark Twain once said · “Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.". Unfortunatly, I think we’ve reach a point where discussions is mostly useless. Recently, I had a discussion with someone trying to convince me that most young adults are now trans (lol). I told him I teach at college and Univ level, and have not yet seen a single trans person, over the hundred of young adults I had in my classes. I had to cut the conversation short after 10 minutes of him explaining to me why I’m wrong because he watch dozens of yt video that confirms he is right, even if he never step foot in a university.
I disagree. It’s best that we systemically and socially deplatform and disenfranchise the right. They have no place in a conversation that’s interested in progress and human rights, and they only seek to derail such conversations.
The only effective tool against fascists is exclusion.
I understand where you are coming from. It is true that there is a pretty vocal and decently sized part of the right which became completely fascist and extremist. However I believe, as a person that has opinions from around the whole spectrum, that not all of them are like that. We should try to get along with the ones that are still sane. There are also people of the left that went haywire, but that doesn’t mean we should generalize. The right has an extremely big issue, you are right, I just don’t think this will help. It’ll actually contribute to fascists being able to propagate the hate against the left. I wouldn’t say I identify with the version of the right we know today completely, but I certainly could be considered to be in that part of the spectrum. I consider myself to be respectful of other views, as long as they are not extremist or mean to hurt others. That is why it hurts me to see what some are doing to the word “right” with their Nazi ideologies. I would like to finish off clarifying that I am not one of those extremist conservatives or however you wanna call them, and that I’m writing this with the best of intentions possible. Lemmy is a great platform, way more tolerant than reddit, but sometimes its users make mistakes like these and fall into the trap of fascists. This is just my opinion, and I will be happy to hear other points of view.
The right has only 2 sorts. The people who would end democracy and usher in a dark age of fascism and violence and those who would empower them. The ones that seem sane are also your enemies just less obviously offensive. They wont stab you themselves but they will hold you down for the fellow that will.
Okay, find me a right winger who would vote against capital. I know there are some Republicans who would unionize, some who might even appreciate a few regulations. Certainly many who have a bit of compassion for the homeless. I don’t know that I’ve met a right winger who questions the power of people who have money. That there is a ‘job creator’.
Wait, I thought that drag queens and school teachers had all my money? Didnt they merged with Antifa, after the fake january 6 far-left rally? Or was it the environnementalists and the Bill Gates fondation?
Oh fuck. I’ve been yelling at what I can only assume is a sexy man in women’s clothing for the past ten minutes accusing them of taking my money and it’s been that dude all along?
Scuse me while I work together a sexy apology. For the accusations. And the more they are yelling back, and showing me the empty space where a penis should be … I don’t think they stole my money at all
“Please make sure people on open forums are free to spread their hateful views unopposed”.
No.
Everything is worthy of discussion. This posts screams closed-minded, polarized to hell and somewhat brainwashed person.
Right wing talking points are not worthy of discussion. There’s no point in engaging with people who (for example) believe that trans people are not valid and support fascist agencies like ICE.
Paradox of tolerance
sorry youre right. i forgot about this concept, please mention it in every single discussion you advocate censorship (because the other side is just SO crazy)
Moderating those who tolerate intolerance isn’t censorship, and it’s not because they’re crazy. Evidently you have forgotten it.
Why did this one get upvoted?
Because it’s one of the few true ones? The media and politicians trump up fears of immigrants and poor people while downplaying or ignoring tax evasion, both legal and illegal.
OP’s solution would be getting rid of capital all together and becoming best buds with China and Russia, as shown by other posts. But that is not expressed here.
Ironically, becoming best buds with Russia is something the Left and the Right agree on. At least in Germany.
Ironically, becoming best buds with Russia is something the Left and the Right agree on. At least in Germany.
Bruh. You’re just talking about Die Linke and the AFD. Nobody else agrees with it. They actually have pretty similar values, but they wouldn’t collaborate out of principal.
Agrees on not to be…
This guy is spamming this communitty
Literally nobody said that
Yes daddy
How can the left not link immigration with the reserve army of labor?
The right thinks that limiting immigration removes the surplus. The left knows that there will always be a surplus but they attack the right on refusing immigration instead of first explaining the reason for the surplus.
Because we’ve already explained to them that the king has the overwhelming majority of surplus and they’re pretending to be too stupid to understand, as an attempt at plausible deniability for racist motives.
You told them or you explained and developed a plan? This is all hypothetical, because immigration also creates jobs, but to somebody threatened with losing their job, it doesn’t help that they know that the king is to be blamed.
My assumption is that they believe that a unified society can change the decisions of the king. How do you convince them that the immigrants are on their side?
BTW, it doesn’t matter that the king has the majority of surplus. The problem is that he doesn’t use it to employ everybody.
The creation of jobs is just the tip of the iceberg; fascists are completely delusional. These aren’t smart people who were reasoned into their position. The only way to change their minds is to redirect the social pressure that brought them there.
Not every person of the right is a fascist.
Of course, changing the mind of a non-dillusional person is already hard enough.
The creation of jobs is everything. If your life stops being a competition for survival, people outside your social ingroup stop being existential threats.
Being right-wing has evolved pretty much into straight fascism these days. There is no real middle ground for moderates anymore.
Could you elaborate, please? I have the impression that calling somebody a fascist is used inflationary.
Nonsensical accusations can not be elaborated. When real totalitarianism will arrive nobody will listen to their cries of help because they’ve been screaming for decades.
Remember, we are well past the point where we just “need to talk it out and compromise”
The right are an active threat to the country.
The left: the right are an active threat to the country
The right: the left are an active threrat to the countryDoesn’t really pan out when one demonstratably is… heck the GOP’s main guy is in big for 91 felonies
