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Well I don’t know if it’s such a ripoff.
Just the other day, I was watching a video about how much it would cost to build a pc with similar power to the ps5 and it was at least 750$.
Also you have to factor the fact that you have to make researches to create a thinner ps5.
I’d say what’s not okay is that you have to buy a new stand and some of the ps store/ps plus prices.
Consoles don’t look like ripoffs yet for me.
It’s simply the fact that they have clearly reduced costs (or they wouldn’t have made it) yet the price for both models has technically increased because the stand is no longer included and the digital is £10 more even before the stand.
The MSRP of the Digital SKU has been £389.99 for over a year, it’s not increasing. EDIT: Notwithstanding the vertical stand not being included anymore, granted.
We gonna bitch about 10 eurodollars and a cheap plastic stand that is completely unnecessary??
It’s cheaper for Sony to manufacture and ship yet it’s more expensive. Nobody should be OK with this.
It’s cheaper for Sony to manufacture and ship yet
Is it? Based on what? The article says:
While it undoubtedly saves Sony money to produce and ship a smaller console none of those savings are being passed on and the new model costs the same as the current “fat” model.
There’s no attribution for what they seem to accept as nearly axiomatic, that it’s cheaper. What are they basing this on? I don’t know because this article doesn’t say, it seems to just be their assumption.
There has been a massive chip shortage and record inflation since the PS5 was launched. Not to mention that the original consoles were sold at a loss.
They may still be selling them at a loss, or possibly cost. But even if we assume that the unattributed “facts” are correct, and Sony is making a small profit after selling consoles at a loss for years, why would I be upset?
The stand is included, wtf are you on about?
The stand included in the current PS5 is both a horizontal and a vertical stand. The horizontal stand on the new model is more of a fold out kickstand.
If you want to stand the console vertically that’s an extra £24.99.
Shits flat on the bottom I threw away my stand cause its unnecessary and felt less stable than just placing the larger surface area of the console flat to the entertainment center but you do you I guess
It’s obviously designed to be on a stand and while I’m sure you think you know better than years and millions of pounds of Sony R&D you do you.
I always do me baby
You can build something much more powerful than the ps5 for that cost
Strange, your part list seemed to get cut off from your post …
Ha, got em.
Well I ain’t into building PC, but that doesn’t seem true as Gamingbolt, Gameranx and LTT tried and failed.
One day it’ll probably be true, but not for now.
And then you have to factor the fact that even an equally powerful PC is gonna be running Windows which is bloated and will eat a lot of the ressources.
Correct. You can however add playstation plus subscription for the duration of the usage (say 5 years) and spend that on the PC, as you don’t need it to play online, on PC. Same with the bloated playstation game prices, compared to PC.
Comparing just the hardware prices, isn’t fair as Sony sells the hardware with a loss and makes the money via game sales. Now there are still free games inside ps+, but for me personally this was never worth it. Ymmv
I guess you’re right about the the games and their prices.
About the psplus, you clearly don’t need it to enjoy your PlayStation but it should also be accounted.
Still it’s around 70$ a year for the 7 years you would play on that console. So about 490$. But then you get some free games.
I guess if you calculate it that way it makes sense but then you also have to take into account the peace of mind that comes with gaming on a console. Every game works well, nothing to setup and your console is gonna get efforts from developers for about 7 years where an old PC is probably gonna have to be upgraded.
But I understand your point. Still it’s console gaming for me. I love tinkering with Linux, but I wanna be able to just play without any hassle.
This is assuming everyone plays games online.
Some people actually enjoy just playing single player games on either their console on PC so factoring in PS Plus as though it’s a requirement isn’t a fair take either.
Sony are known for their Single Player exclusives too which doesn’t require PS Plus. But yes you’re right about the price of their games though compared to some of the prices on PC games.
You just need to shop deals.
You can build one at microcenter for a similar proce to a ps5. The issue you run into is like for like parts.
For instance the ps5 uses a zen 2 processor which would be the 3x00 series ryzen but on the pc both the 5x00 and 7x00 chips are out on the pc.
So if you want like for like you can even save more money by buying used. You can get a used ryzen 3700 for $50 and a mother board for $50. You can buy ddr4 3200 ram 16 gigs new for $40. Sp you are looking at $140
You can get a used Radeon 6600xt for $170
So you are now at $310. Microcenter has 1tb nvme drives for $50. So $360
That leaves you $140 for case / power supply
Of course I’d suggest anyone who wants to build a pc jncest a bit more and got worh a ryzen 7700 with ddr 5 and either an rdna 3 or love lace gpu. But that will be closer to $1k
@Pasta4u try said the same thing almost 4yrs ago. Like to see a $500 4yr old PC run FF16 at 4k in quality mode.
Ps5 came out in Nov of 2020 sp you couldn’t even buy a ps5 four years ago.
It also doesn’t matter because this new slim system just came out. So you are already informed throwing another $400-500 at just a smaller version of the console or you are buying new in which case you can build a pc that is much more powerful
Also ff16 does not run in 4k native.
The crazy part is the $50 difference between the digital only and the blue ray version.
The OG digital edition is probably sold at a loss, expecting to recoup sales with subscription and software and also undercut series S. Seeing how ps plus isn’t doing as well as they hoped, and PS5 has solidified itself in the market, this is probably more in line with realistic profit margins. Still sucks for the buyer, but I don’t mind as I’m perfectly happy with my launch ps5 digital
I would be if the storage weren’t so abysmal, but I know drives are cheap.
I also hear they’re already working on the ps6
Ehhhhhhhhhhhhh no. This is a fairly poorly thought out argument that is really based on nothing other than
“if it’s called slim, then it has to be cheaper”
almost all popular multi-year hardware will have multiple SKU’s throughout it’s lifetime, either to source alternate - more available - parts, or to reduce cost. They generally don’t also come with a price change because the price is almost always dictated by market forces, not cost of components.
we /have/ seen a marketed push when companies see an opportunity to make a lower cost device around the idea of a “slim”, but to say just because something is called “slim” it has to be cheaper, is to be fairly ignorant of what makes that version traditionally cheaper.
If you want to make arguments about it being a rip-off, talk about the stand situation, not the “slim” marketing and design change.
While it undoubtedly saves Sony money to produce and ship a smaller console none of those savings are being passed on and the new model costs the same as the current “fat” model.
I think that may have been the case years ago, I don’t know that it’s necessarily true here.
Wait for the tear downs. I guarantee it’s a cheaper build quality. It also costs less to ship lighter and smaller devices.
If there were no cost savings for Sony they would be sticking with the current model rather than changing the whole manufacturing process.
