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Hopefully, the US pushes Apple to do this.
Of course it will only be for the EU. I’m sure users in other countries will find ways to get around this but I don’t see them willingly to open things up where they are forced to. This isn’t coming from the kindness of their hearts, keep in mind.
I’m sure Apple being Apple, is going to half bake it just enough to comply while making it a pain in the ass for users.
Any chance we get a proper version of Firefox with actual extensions
Hopefully I can also run Mac apps on iPad when proper sideloading is enabled.
That’s not going to happen, but you are free to continue dreaming I suppose
UTM with CPU accelerated virtualization (like on Mac). I only want this.
Really hope this comes to the UK
something something ”brexit”, something something ”we dont want to follow the EU”
Why would it? Do you have any legislation that would demand it?
You think you’re being smart but the UK still follows most of the EU laws and regulations as someone said below. One thing about the big “we want to leave the EU” bollocks is that most laws from the EU remained or had their own UK version created lol
Sunak promised to abolish them all :)))
Then… he didn’t.
Because it would be an absolutely mental thing to do without spending years sorting it all out lol. 🤡 🤡 🤡
They follow a lot of existing legislation. New EU legislation will not apply to the UK automatically, the UK will need to pass its own laws.
You can’t have your cake and eat it too. You guys choose to leave the EU
52% did. The 48% want side loading.
How does sideloading benefit end customer? What are the risks? Why was this not allowed before?
Depending on how strict apple makes it:
You can sideload an app, that would normally be rejected by the App Store review process, that tries to harm the user by exploiting certain native APIs/capabilities.
I’d never ever ever sideload an app that is not open source and that is not built by me or by a reputable source. That, I only suggest to power users.
I’m guessing eventually, some users will regret ever sideloading.
I bet some companies will eventually make non-App Store versions of their apps, companies that want to increase their profits by not paying the App Store commission (such as Spotify, Hey) and companies that want to track the color of your panties (such as Meta).
I don’t give a shit about how much profit Spotify makes and I want somebody to police social media apps as much as possible so I’ll keep using the App Store for those cases.
How does sideloading benefit end customer?
It takes away some degree of control from the company, and gives that control back to you.
To me, that by itself is pretty damn big. It is my device, I should be able to choose what I put on it.
In practice this means that you would now be able to install any app, from any source, made by anyone. Regardless of Apples own guidelines or rules in the app store. This opens a venue for the kind of applications you would not normally see on an iPhone.
Some of these include:
- Porn.
- Emulators.
- Game Streaming.
- Applications using their own payment systems without being beholden to the Apple Tax
- Development tools
- Non Safari browsers
- A whole ton of other things.
What are the risks?
The app Store verifies apps and makes sure they work as they should. It’s not a perfect system but it does a decent job.
When you get an App from the app store you can be pretty damn confident that it’ll work, perform well, won’t contain anything to offensive, and is secure.
When you download an app from an outside source, you won’t really have those guarantees. Obviously there will be apps and sources people trust, just like now if you download something on your Mac/PC, chances are you don’t do that through a store. You got a website and download the app from there.
So you take on some risk. The app might be broken, buggy, it might perform like shit and look like shit, it might try to scam you or whatever else.
Why was this not allowed before?
Most likely because Apple as a company, likes to have as much control over their products as possible. Hence why people often refer to Apple ecosystem as a “Walled garden”. Like things in there are great, but there are big walls around your garden that prevent bad things from coming, but they also prevent you from expanding and exploring.
If Apple can control the single source where Apps come from, it gives them more control over your device. Like in Apples eyes, a game streaming service should offer each game as an individual app. Not something you choose from the streaming service, so game streaming services were banned from App store. Since they don’t follow how Apple wants that service to work on their devices.
Additionally security is bit of a concern since sideloaded apps are riskier than verified apps from the app store. Limiting that can make the device more secure. However ideally, the operating system should be secure enough, that you can’t break the security from a sandboxed app.
Then there’s money. Apple has a rule in the pap store that you’re only allowed to use Apples own In App Purchase system. So if you want to buy something in an app, you have to go through Apple, and that means a 30% cut. However this a rules for the app store, since it’s practically impossible to prevent an app from just asking your CC details or opening a paypal page. So if Apple detects this, they ban the app. This is the main reason Fortnite was banned.
Allowing sideloading means relinquishing control over that in app market. Since now a dude can install whatever they want and bypass Apples payment system entirely.
It benefits the end customer by giving him/her freedom. Freedom to enhance the experience or to kinda mess it up btw. But still freedom. The risk well if the person is stupid and install shady ass apps then you can imagine the risks. Although I’m sure Apple will still restrict the possible effects on the OS/phone I guess. iOS will still be “closed” compared to android. Not allowed because Apple knows that most people know nothing about tech, risks and are plain dumb. So it’s easier to restrict to avoid issues than to open possibilities. When I was younger I had a jailbroken iPhone and tbh it helped me a lot at some point (I broke the mute switch and I was able to download a JB app for $1 to replicate the mute switch, wasn’t possible natively) and enhanced the experience (multi tasking before it was possible, all apps for free and so on). Nowadays I just don’t care though
Piracy is a big part of it.
Sideloading apps used to have this nifty word called downloading. They made it seem like anything not from the App Store was dangerous. Just like when you download an app on your computer they’ll ask you if it’s okay and sometimes you’ll have to go into settings and provide permissions to allow it to download. Will you be able to download some silly shit? Yes. Can you download harmful stuff. Theoretically yes. But is that a problem on macs? Not really no. What it does allow you do to is go to the source of a program and downs load it from them. You can download things apple deems not what they want in the App Store (ad blockers etc) it also allows potential developers to sell apps to individuals without the App Store tax. It’s not good or bad it just is the way it’s always been on a computer. So why not at least allow it with warnings like on mac.
How does sideloading benefit end customer?
Porn apps are finally gonna be available. Let’s not kid ourselves, Apple’s purinatism is stupid and nobody should dictate if the users are allowed to access adult content or not.
Lol porn apps, the internet is full of porn. The main use for this is piracy, plain and simple. App developers think they might be able to save money by avoiding Apple’s 30% fee, only to find they end up earning nothing form using some third-party app store.
AD 1 - more freedom, more apps available and possibly lower prices for apps.
AD 2 - I don’t want to go into that rabbit hole but if you stick to Appstore, nothing changes for you.
AD 3 - less money for Apple
Maybe a lot of people switch from Android to Apple. It could turn out as win in the end. Imagine, one person buys 1 iPhone for 1300€ that would have bought otherwise android. How many 30% cuts are needed to match 1 sold iphone?
I say, in europe there might me millions of people that switch to iphone.
Common EU W
As an American in my 30s it feels like it’s been a life time of L’s
You’ve grown up in one history’s wealthiest and best off nations. Maybe it’s time to get some perspective
Americans have way more disposable income (yes, even after accounting for healthcare expenses) on average than Europeans, so you’ve been taking that W every year, at least.
iphone 15 pro costs $1,333 in my EU country and my salary is much smaller, so its not all greener grass over here
Including sales tax, iPhone 15 Pro costs roughly $1,200 in my country, and pretty sure my larger salary doesn’t make up for the extra costs we have with healthcare and way less time off work than you guys get. So the grass may still be greener on that side :)
So come over here in eastern Europe and work for less than $1,200 per month while housing is unaffordable with over 1000 EURO per square meter. But yey, you get an extra holiday or two per year.
How? Why would you value security vulnerabilities on your phone rather than having options?
Is macOS also full of “security vulnerabilities” because you are able to install third party apps? And how is having less choices in apps having more options?
Also sideloading is something that if you don’t want to live with you just don’t do it. It won’t make your phone any less secure by having the option to do it.
Can‘t wait for my father to enable it, ruin his phone by downloading and installing dodgy shit and I am the one who has to fix it again.
iOS will still be sandboxed and governed by all the same restrictions. Apps won’t be able to ruin the device.
Your pops is tech savvy enough to know how to use sideloading but not understand what not to download? Very slim niche he has cornered
You need to give your father a Nokia 3310, not an iPhone if you so that much care for his safety
You give your father a Nokia 3310, get yourself a Switch or DS if you care about emulation so much, they’re cheap these days. Problem solved
Right? I work in IT, I can’t tell you the number of “my android don’t work because I downloaded something I saw on an ad” tickets we get.
90% of people don’t realize they buy the iPhone for the walled garden.
This issue can be fixed by telling your dad no.
Surely the setting would be hidden and not active by default.
This is no way going to be as open as people hope it will be.
it will be just as open as the minimum that the eu stipulates. apple has no incentive to go further
Well if it’s not as open as it’s supposed to be, the EU will just force them to open it further :D
Not too sure. If that is their strategy, the EU is only incentivized to add more requirements and maybe beyond as Apple isn’t showing any good will. Might be a better strategy to do this properly
Eu iPhone more value
No it’s purely a software difference
Not unless you can somehow sideload a location spoofer that fools iOS. Didn’t you really think it wouldn’t be location locked?
But wouldn’t you need to be in Europe to sideload the application to trick it into thinking you’re in Europe to sideload apps? Lol
If I go to an EU country, will my phone allow me to side load. And if I come back will the app I downloaded still work? Or does the phone have to be bought in a EU country
Curious if I travel from Europe to say the USA will it keep working.
You’ll likely need an Apple ID set with an address in the EU and/or an EU-issued credit card, plus will need to be physically present in the EU.
That is obnoxious. So EU citizens abroad will have a harder time doing this
Crazy how they got away with it for so many years. The idea that you can pay for an product and still don’t own it needs to die
You could jailbreak though, I’m not entirely sure if it still works on new iPhones but back in the day it wasn’t difficult.
You are buying into Apple’s premise. You have always been able to choose Android if you don’t subscribe to Apple’s model.
That doesn’t matter, if you buy a product you should own it and do whatever you want with it regardless. Crazy how that things as basic as that have to be regulated nowadays. You think corporations can do anything and just use the excuse, well there are other companies you could have chosen.
Soon as you accept the agreement to sideload and endanger the security of the iphone iOS, it’ll also damage the resale market. phones with it enabled may be harder to sell on or upgrade surely?
It’s not a contract with the devil, it’ll be software-controlled and resettable.
It will be part of iOS in the EU. All phones will have it enabled.
Do people not factory reset used phones? This won’t damage resale value or hurt Apples brand.
I wish this would happen in the US but my government always sides with companies over people.
I’m going to come back to the 2026 thread titled “US and EU pass laws mandating on-device scanning” and watch everyone who was warned about the consequences of having governments demand features in tech products pretend they didn’t know. All the people who said “sLiPpErY SlOpE FaLLaCy” will be fun to talk to
The EU is already doing this with their government mandated Certificate Authority. The EU has precedent that it can demand any hardware or software changes for any products sold in Europe no matter how insignificant.
We’re already sliding down the slope: https://www.infosecurity-magazine.com/news/eu-eidas-face-backlash-mozilla/
It’s the capitalist state
Do you hate politics? If you do, don’t. Most people like to pretend politics doesn’t matter because they think overall it doesn’t affect their lives. This is the consequence of a large percentage of the population acting this way.
Most people like to pretend politics doesn’t matter because they think overall it doesn’t affect their lives. This is the consequence of a large percentage of the population acting this way.
Look at it through the filter of not just “The System” which is not-representative and excessively complex putting many many people off a system that they’re born unto with no say no matter how many sales-pitches are made about it.
You can challenge your nostrum that in fact many people end up making the same decision by many many different means and methods and that means not just all are stupid, but the sheer diversity would indicate more sense of “truth” in that response than a singular message “You must vote because it matters/makes a difference!”
As to “hate”, the word in English is misleading, for one of the most intense negative emotions that people can experience. Apathy or loss of trust might be more appropriate premise.
Literally in the article:
The United States, for example, is considering legislation that would require Apple to allow sideloading.
blablabla will never happen
Lina Khan is doing great work but yeah she can only do so much
They’ve got stalled bills that have been trying to become laws since I was in 3rd grade. Through 4 presidential administrations. I’m turning 40 in April.
Europe > murican freedom