• froggers@lemmy.world
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    Ohh this will surely help those people in Palestine and Afghanistan, and most definitely not make people hate Muslims even more.

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      Terrorists who do this kind of thing don’t care about Palestine, and they don’t want to reduce Muslim hate.

      On the contrary, they want more conflicts. Just the the far right Nazis that will jump on the occasion to antagonize all Muslims over this event.

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      They hate that like what 99.9% of Muslims in Europe just live here like anyone else. They don’t want that. They want westerners to hate Muslims and Muslims to feel rejected by society. These terrorists then want to make it seem as if they’d be standing up for and protecting Muslims against this hatred. Then, they have a very narrow view on what makes someone a „real“ Muslim and want to make that view the mainstream. Now for any normal Muslim, they would need to decide if they lose their religion or start becoming „real“ Muslims. It’s very black and white. And then for someone who truly believes, this puts them in a very difficult spot from a psychological point of view.

      These people just abuse the fear of people on all sides.

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        I can’t verify it because there is no name or information about the person who did it in the news, but I assumed that it was a person who came to France later. After all, I don’t think there were many Muslims in France 100 years ago 😅 Even if he wasn’t, my thoughts still stand.

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            So if you believe that all Muslims go mad by chanting “Allah Aqbar” and killing in the same way and motivation, then you are right.

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              all Muslims go mad by chanting “Allah Aqbar” and killing in the same way and motivation, then you are right.

              I never said that?

              I literally quoted the article

              Known for his psychiatric problems and radical Islamism, he underwent psychiatric medical treatment throughout his detention and after his release.

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                And I’m saying is, they always use “psychological disorders” excuse.

                If it was psyco, then it would never been same way, same words, same motivations.

                This is not a “psychological disorder”. It is a regular radicalized Muslim.

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                  It is a regular radicalized Muslim without any mind problems.

                  So, not all Muslims? Because your previous comment states the opposite

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          The name won’t tell you if they were born in France or not.

          And you can still be French even if your family hasn’t been living in France for 4 generations.

          I guess what you mean to say is “you can’t really be French if you’re not white”?

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            You’re still thinking “white/black/brown” debate. I’m talking about waaayy different subject. You know exactly what people I’m talking about. You are just trying to bend the situation.

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              What you said was bigoted af. Stop trying to spin this. Apologize or stop pretending you’re not a racist scumbag.

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                First of all, I’m a brown, middle-eastern person.

                I was just trying to explain dangers of Islam. My country turned into shariah shithole in 20 years from secular.

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                  I was just trying to explain dangers of Islam.

                  No you werent. You were making braod assumptions that are already proven to be wrong and you blame it on “Islam”, which implies “all Muslims”, despite there being evidence of psychiatric disorder in the suspect. Schizophrenia and other disorders with mania often express themselves in religious symbols. but if a psychatric ill person refers to Christianity would you say that this is Christianity for everyone? Probably not.

                  Also you should consider carefully, if you want to stir more anti-Muslim sentiment. When it comes to progroms, the people will not care if you are muslim, atheist, christian or jew. They’ll just see a “brown” person. You might get praise from the political right now, but they will not protect you, no matter how loudly you announce to be different from the other “brown people”.

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                  You have my sympathy, but this does not meaningfully change anything.

                  Your comment was still bigoted af.

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                Who are you to tell others how to think? Asking them to apologize, are you serious? The level of self-righteousness and self-absorption in your attitude is worrying.

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                  I’m not telling him what to think. I’m telling him he’s being a little coward, throwing the rock then hiding the hand.

                  So it’s up to him. Either he didn’t mean to be a horrible bigot, then he can apologize for it and we’re cool. Or he did, and then he has to own it.

                  I’m not telling him what to think. He’s free to be a bigot. God knows it’s a pretty widespread affliction. But he can’t deliberately engage in that kind of behavior and get away with equivocating hoping no one notices.

                  attitude is worrying

                  No, what is worrying is accepting that behavior in a public place. This is not, and will not be, the Nazi bar.

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            Why should I listen to your directives? Are you authority here?

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      Let me guess you’re from Iran? Sounds like every Iranian I’ve ever met. Your problem isn’t Islam or any other religion, your problem is being oppressed by a facist dictatorship that uses a religion to legitimize themselves. If they had labeled themselves as Zoroastrians then you’d live under pretty much the same fucked up regime, but you’d blame it all on Zoroastrians instead of a bunch of dicks who fucked over your country for their own benefit.

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          Cool then replace Zoroastrians with Kemalists and also replace Iranian with expat in the West from Istanbul and we’re all set except that Kemalists were in power before and weren’t any less fascist than Islamists.

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            Kemalism is not efficient as Islam when it comes to fascism tho. Religion and nationality are much better tool when it comes to manipulating people.

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              Well but Kemalism is also just a cult of personality with a nationalist agenda attached to it.

              I can only repeat. The problem is fascists doing fascist stuff. And finding whatever reason to justify it. The most deadly dictatorships in history were all non religious.

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      Where does Islam order or condone attacking innocent civilians?

      If you know anything about what Islam actually says you’d know such person’s actions are against it and wouldn’t send such ignorent comments on the world wide web.

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        It’s always the religious fanatics who seem to understand the source text of what the claim to base their religious convictions on the least. Same with fundamentalist Christians basically being the most un-Jesus-like people out there.

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        Islamic scripture is actually quite big on punishing those that we would consider innocent. Muhammad himself had quite a few people killed because they didn’t believe in his teachings

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          Islamic scripture is actually quite big on punishing those that we would consider innocent.

          You mean to say that the laws you abide by in your country are different from the ones dictated by Allah? Yeah, ok, like the majority of today’s countries. But Islam does not allow vigilantism. Any punishment must be decided by a judge if the conditions for the punishment are met, the first one is to be in a country which follows islamic law…

          Muhammad himself had quite a few people killed because they didn’t believe in his teachings

          Could you please cite the authentic hadith regarding this?

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    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    He said the wife’s life was saved by the intervention of a taxi driver and that the suspect fled across a nearby bridge spanning the River Seine.

    A police operation was initiated around the Bir-Hakeim metro station on Saturday night, and authorities urged people to avoid the area.

    Mr Darmanin said the alleged attacker was heard shouting “Allahu Akbar”, Arabic for “God is greatest”, and told police he was upset because “so many Muslims are dying in Afghanistan and in Palestine”.

    On Saturday, a video was posted on social media in which the suspect criticised the French government and discussed what he described as the murder of innocent Muslims, AFP news agency reports.

    Writing on X, formerly Twitter, French President Emmanuel Macron sent his thoughts to all those affected by the “terrorist attack” and thanked the emergency services for their response.

    It comes less than two months after a teacher was killed in a knife attack at a high school in the northern city of Arras, prompting the French government to put the country on its highest level of national security alert.


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