I get your sentiment (that you don’t need to we wealthy to be happy), but most definitions of “poverty” aren’t just “not rich”, they’re more “unable to afford basic means”, which there is a lot wrong with!
Can agree with that. And that is a system (social) problem, it’s not a human conditioning problem.
My point was, being rich is not good either. Ask how many rich people are happy, I mean truly happy. I bet the bunch in the image is having a better time than any rich person will ever have.
There is no way rich people are less happy than the average poor person bar mental health conditions, they may have stressors like a demanding job, but that is nothing compared to whether or not you’ll lose everything if you get too sick, or whether you can pay the bills because you didn’t get enough hours at one of your jobs, or if you have enough food to feed your family. Wealth gives so much more opportunity to fulfill desires and become happy.
Have you ever been actually poor? Have you ever been homeless or lived in a shelter? I can’t help but feel like your words may be that of privilege.
“Being rich is not good” is a very naive take. Being rich means less stress and more opportunities.
You’re all taking what I said to extremes… and I can understand why, there is no middle ground for a lot of things in this world, including the lower and upper middle class… you either have to be rich or be homeless.
That is essentially what’s wrong with today’s world. There is no middle anything.
We can absolutely live the life with same income, but without the grind. For that, we have to unionize and fight off hustle culture.
They want to make us work more for less, that’s all. And what’s gonna help it more than saying “you just a lazy shit who doesn’t work long enough, unlike N.”
Fuck them. We can afford to work less for more. It’s just that their wallets are gonna get hit this time, for real.
Strong disagree. Massively worse health outcomes, food insecurity, lack of opportunity for children due to worse educational opportunities, and less opportunity to be what you want to be instead of simply survive all contribute to make poverty decidedly not “fine.”
Living in a world where you have to grind in order to make a comfortable living is wrong. The picture above just depicts what most of us are lacking in today’s world. And I think everyone feels the consiquences, just can’t pinpoint the problem. The system is the problem. We’re not meant to live like this.
You’re taking things way too litelarly in the image. The point is, not everything revolves around money. And there is nothing wrong with hand made furniture, at least they learned a thing or two by making it. It does the job, not everything has to be new and shiny. There is nothing wrong with recycling stuff or putting old things to better/new use.
And cold/hot can’t be depected in an image (it can… to an extent), maybe they just got wet in the rain and are trying to warm themselves up with blankets and a hot tea. That is how people used to warm themselves up, I still do that on a cold day, as I said, there is nothing wrong with that. Not everyone has to have an AC or a space heater.
Very serious question: have you ever, as an adult, lived in poverty?
Because I have, and I found absolutely nothing noble in it. There’s nothing morally superior about skipping meals so your kid can eat. It’s just sad and shitty.
I didn’t mean it as poor, I meant it more in the terms of not rich… or at least not rich so that you can afford a new car every time your 2 year old BMW breaks down.
For example, it’s perfectly fine to own a condo, not a house. More than 70% of the world’s population lives in condos, yet in the US it’s frowned upon, or it’s OK, but if you’re single. Basically, condos are not good for raising children. I live in a condo with my wife and son and I have no plans to move to a house whatsoever. They’re way too expensive and I’d have to work my ass off to afford the downpayment for one. I’d rather spend that time with my child or just having a conversation with my friends or relatives. Work is not everything.
And there is nothing wrong with that… as long as people are happy.
I get your sentiment (that you don’t need to we wealthy to be happy), but most definitions of “poverty” aren’t just “not rich”, they’re more “unable to afford basic means”, which there is a lot wrong with!
Can agree with that. And that is a system (social) problem, it’s not a human conditioning problem.
My point was, being rich is not good either. Ask how many rich people are happy, I mean truly happy. I bet the bunch in the image is having a better time than any rich person will ever have.
There is no way rich people are less happy than the average poor person bar mental health conditions, they may have stressors like a demanding job, but that is nothing compared to whether or not you’ll lose everything if you get too sick, or whether you can pay the bills because you didn’t get enough hours at one of your jobs, or if you have enough food to feed your family. Wealth gives so much more opportunity to fulfill desires and become happy.
Have you ever been actually poor? Have you ever been homeless or lived in a shelter? I can’t help but feel like your words may be that of privilege.
“Being rich is not good” is a very naive take. Being rich means less stress and more opportunities.
You’re all taking what I said to extremes… and I can understand why, there is no middle ground for a lot of things in this world, including the lower and upper middle class… you either have to be rich or be homeless.
That is essentially what’s wrong with today’s world. There is no middle anything.
As long as we don’t normalize that it’s either grind or poverty and minimum wage should be a living wage
This.
Commenters, as always, went into false dichotomy.
We can absolutely live the life with same income, but without the grind. For that, we have to unionize and fight off hustle culture.
They want to make us work more for less, that’s all. And what’s gonna help it more than saying “you just a lazy shit who doesn’t work long enough, unlike N.”
Fuck them. We can afford to work less for more. It’s just that their wallets are gonna get hit this time, for real.
This has nothing to do with min wage tho. There are zero unionized workplaces that pay minimum wage.
I’m all for tying min wage to localized cost of living, and I’m extremely pro-union, but if the latter succeeds we just won’t really need the former.
We always need unions to have a watch om ways we can be exploited, preventing that behavior.
Having good policies respecting workers is, essentially, an endgame for every struggle for worker’s rights.
And yes, it is best to have laws cementing those achievements.
Agreed 👍.
Strong disagree. Massively worse health outcomes, food insecurity, lack of opportunity for children due to worse educational opportunities, and less opportunity to be what you want to be instead of simply survive all contribute to make poverty decidedly not “fine.”
Living in a world where you have to grind in order to make a comfortable living is wrong. The picture above just depicts what most of us are lacking in today’s world. And I think everyone feels the consiquences, just can’t pinpoint the problem. The system is the problem. We’re not meant to live like this.
The picture above is 3 beings without jobs living in a cave with handmade furniture. They’re cold and miserable, because it’s a cave.
I am quite certain you can do that without grinding. Problem is, that’s a really shitty way to live in real life. Pooh can’t event afford pants.
Subsistence farming and other extreme poverty is not a solution. It is literally the problem.
You’re taking things way too litelarly in the image. The point is, not everything revolves around money. And there is nothing wrong with hand made furniture, at least they learned a thing or two by making it. It does the job, not everything has to be new and shiny. There is nothing wrong with recycling stuff or putting old things to better/new use.
And cold/hot can’t be depected in an image (it can… to an extent), maybe they just got wet in the rain and are trying to warm themselves up with blankets and a hot tea. That is how people used to warm themselves up, I still do that on a cold day, as I said, there is nothing wrong with that. Not everyone has to have an AC or a space heater.
Very serious question: have you ever, as an adult, lived in poverty?
Because I have, and I found absolutely nothing noble in it. There’s nothing morally superior about skipping meals so your kid can eat. It’s just sad and shitty.
I didn’t mean it like that, I meant it as in it doesn’t take much to make you happy. You don’t need to be rich to enjoy life.
Looks like you missed the “as long as people are happy” qualifier…
Half the world with a poverty issue would probably tell you they aren’t happy.
I didn’t mean it as poor, I meant it more in the terms of not rich… or at least not rich so that you can afford a new car every time your 2 year old BMW breaks down.
For example, it’s perfectly fine to own a condo, not a house. More than 70% of the world’s population lives in condos, yet in the US it’s frowned upon, or it’s OK, but if you’re single. Basically, condos are not good for raising children. I live in a condo with my wife and son and I have no plans to move to a house whatsoever. They’re way too expensive and I’d have to work my ass off to afford the downpayment for one. I’d rather spend that time with my child or just having a conversation with my friends or relatives. Work is not everything.
Oh yeah tons are people are poverty stricken and overflowing with happiness :/
Wasn’t talking about living on the streets…