A resounding no, whenever you look

Ps: it’s a sewage treatment plant

Can we just throw people like this off a cliff already?

I have my political direction picked, just look at my profile pic

Sorry, couldn’t hear you over the roar of this mulcher…

Stop. Please, sir. The joke is already dead!

That’s a valid concern, but they use dry cask storage. If you inter these casks underground, you can redirect any water that may seep into the storage chamber or use an impermeable cover over the casks. We do this a lot with mining wastes.

I’m not saying its not harmful, but it does drop in risk over time, and it is concentrated. In comparison, one waste rock dump I’m dealing with is about 237 ha in size, and contains 21 million tonnes of ML/ARD generating waste rock. Another mine I know will contain 3 billion m³ of tailings in their tailings storage facility.

Dealing with any waste is not cheap, though the level of effort is smaller with nuclear than traditional mining wastes. If you store the waste in engineered drums/cells etc. which are water tight and stick them underground, after siting the storage location well, you’re in pretty good shape.

I won’t contest nuclear plant upkeep.

Straight to all my veg ecologist friends

Green Alder has entered the chat, and it’s here to fix both nitrogen, and your fucking wagon

Damnit, Stabby, I was trying (not very hard, mind you) to work.
There’s a lot of back and forth going on in this thread, a lot of it around environmental impact of coal, and land uses. I’ll try to clear some of this up. At worst, you’ll just get my ramblings on the topic.

1. Nuclear energy. I largely agree with @arrow74@lemmy.zip. Nuclear has a shitty stigma, and that really precludes it from being even a transitional energy source, particularly in North America. While the wastes live forever (essentially) they are concentrated, and after a century or so, they are generally similar to other toxic wastes (e.g., primarily alpha and beta radiation), and if properly stored, are pretty safe. I’m not a nuclear expert, however, so this is more of an opinion than anything, though maybe a bit more informed than the average schmoe (though schmoe I am).

2. Coal mining - historically, very destructive, no land use planning, just let the pit fill on its own, Metal Leaching and Acid Rock Drainage (herein: ML/ARD) issues. ML/ARD issues arise when you have metal and sulphur bearing rock that’s exposed to atmosphere over time. Sulphur oxidizes, drops pH, and leaches metals out of the rock. This can occur sometimes at neutral pHs but it’s less common and dependent on the metals in the rock. If you just leave the pit to fill on its own, it takes a long time, and you’re more prone to ML/ARD and water quality issues as a result. If you actively flood the pit, you can largely avoid these issues, but you still need to model, check, and monitor your future water quality so you don’t have a pit full of toxic crap. Usually, if water quality is poor, they can use semi-passive treatment (e.g. in pit bioreactors) or actively (water treatment plant) treat water until water quality is good enough to release to the surrounding environment, once the pit’s water elevation reaches whatever target they have set out for it.

@MythicalMenace@slrpnk.net points out how mining companies are often required to put money back into the towns around them. This is part of social closure of the mine, so they don’t leave behind ghost towns. Generally, though, it doesn’t work. Towns need another source of employment once the mine shuts down, but we’re largely starting to see mining companies be required to have some sort of social transition plan in place for workers and people connected to the mine.

2a - Mining wastes @grue@lemmy.world yes, coal wastes can be toxic, this links back to ML/ARD I mention earlier. Tailings are crushed (usually to sand sized) rock that’s been processed - they usually have faster ML/ARD onset due to their smaller particle size -> increased surface area. @SpruceBringsteen@lemmy.world also tied to ML/ARD and water management -see #2 above

3 - coal plants: not much to add here, but they are often a source of metal deposition (via dust, fly ash), and radioactivity (radon in rock).

That’s a fair point, about blocking pipelines. BC is in the same boat in that regard.

Oil is a tough one - it’s a very valuable resource but it’s got a big stigma tied to it due to GHGs and spills. I wish we were collectively doing more about climate change, rather than just using it as an argument when it suits us, but that’s beside the point

On the whole, we need to be a lot more collaborative. Western resentment is real, and somewhat justified, but you don’t cut off your arm to spite your finger

Because we are a country, and patriotic people, not Patriots™ support people in other parts of the country. It’s not AB vs QC or the east - we are unified.

Also, please stop downvoting this guy. Maybe an unpopular take, but it’s central to the broader discussion and directly tied to the article itself

All of it, I hope. I would much rather pay for education than line the pockets of megacorps.

Do you know how much the reclamation liability is for the oil sands? 200 billion. We have 2 billion saved to clean it up. That works out to $41,200 in cost per man, woman, and child, but sure, let’s focus on $650 per person.

I would put money on oilsands companies shuttering their mines once or becomes clear there is no way to get product to market, or that it’s much more expansive to do so. Shell already did this when OPEX costs got too high. TOTAL also pulled out.

I think you are thinking of Vinegaroons - they spray you with acetic acid. AFAIK, amblypigids skewer their prey on arm spikes

I know this, and you know this, but MEME

In 2021, the Canadian Taxpayers Federation pegged Albertans’ contribution to equalization as $650 per capita.

Lol. Lmao even.

Let’s risk a very unclear future, sold to us by utopian libertarians over $650 per person.

I’m Albertan. I’m also quite Liberal, so kind of rare in these parts.

Anyway, I just can’t wrap my head around the logic of the separatist have. Cut off ALL federal programs. Make your own programs, which is more than likely going to be blindingly more expensive due inefficiencies in starting from scratch. Cut all income tax (are you stupid?). Institute PST, something that is political sepukku in Alberta. Oh. And don’t forget to base your economy on a marginal product, with no access to foreign markets, whose commodity prices are controlled by a cartel.

Get the fuck out, and come back to me with some valid logic

damnit, you beat me to it.

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I guess that’s why Parisians are so patriotic.