What other method has successfully mobilized more than 10M people? I’ll get behind it if it’s more effective. My loyalty is to successful strategy, not 50501.

What other channels are mobilizing ~10M people? I’ll get behind them if they’re effective.

That’s not the point of protests. The point is to reach the disengaged and uninformed citizens to join your cause. Protests are a great place to share resources and network, while increasing your numbers, legally in broad daylight. That’s exactly why freedom of assembly is in the Bill of Rights.

There may be tear gas in LA and Portland at times, but it’s still far from the norm. You’re likely unaware of the frequency of peaceful protests and hearing more about the newsworthy events. To give you a frame of reference, this is what NYC’s protest calendar looks like.

I’m not defending that single person’s actions. I’m saying the other ~10M of us were not there to support white supremacy, but to stand in opposition against it.

You’re not going to use inflammatory language and extremist opinions to convince me of a different agenda, while we actively stand, arms linked, in-between ICE and immigrants.

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That’s fair. I’ve provided cited sources, facts, and statistics. You’ve shared your feelings. I’ll reconsider my stance on peaceful protest being the most effective method to engage and build a communication network when you provide some convincing evidence to the contrary.

Are you outside the US? I’ve been a New Yorker my whole life and have been protesting since the 90s. I’ve seen a handful of arrests and pepper spray deployed once. You’re talking about US news sensationalism or possibly protests in other nations. Even LA and Portland, which are usually the ones to turn rowdy, typically do so once the protests are over in the evening.

We’re not sacrificing anything by organizing and engaging the disengaged. We’d be sacrificing our right to assembly by inciting violence as you suggest.

You need to do more reading on the successful overthrow of dictatorships. They all begin with organization and communication. The unsuccessful attempts all begin with small-scale violent resistance.

Stop watching media that highlights the extreme and watch crowdsourced videos of the actual protests. They’re not the LA riots that mainstream media is portraying. I’m in NY and haven’t seen any violence first hand. There have been small altercations here and there, but millions are protesting, connecting, and influencing others to join.

There is no better way to grow our numbers. We need to take advantage of this opportunity to engage and organize. There is no benefit to accelerating into assembly restrictions with only ~2% of our nation, mostly 40+ in age, ready to take action.

What that peacekeeper did was abhorrent, and is under investigation. Are all Republicans good because Rand Paul voted against the budget reconciliation bill? Your inflammatory takes out you as an accelerationist.

You do understand that we’ve grown our protests from a few hundred thousand to ~10M in four months with this method, right? Yet you’re encouraging small factions of violence which have repeatedly proven throughout history to have failed against dictatorships?

Your agenda is clear. Keep your accelerationist takes out of my nation, comrade.

You clearly haven’t been protesting. Your inflammatory and exaggerated descriptions are exactly what will happen if the resistance is labeled a domestic threat. As of now, that is not what is happening. We’ve grown our numbers from a few hundred thousand to ~10M in four months.

Until you come up with a more effective plan to engage the disengaged, why don’t you leave the planning to those who have proven successful?

Refusing to walk into a trap set by the dumbest president in the history of the United States is not cowardice. It’s strategy.

Just because you have big feelings, doesn’t mean you should follow them instead of strategic plans.

Sure, but I suck with random recall. I’ve seen SO many of them. Fantastic Fungi comes to mind. I found the concept of a forest communication network through mycelium to be incredibly fascinating.

Some of the more interesting ones I’ve seen lately have probably been on the Minuteman YouTube channel. Have you seen any of them? https://youtube.com/@miniminuteman773

How about you?

Thank you. I can’t believe low long that went unnoticed. Lol

Nice! As a fan of real documentaries, I thank you for the heads up!

As someone who has been left of the Democrats since the 90s, I agree with you. Unfortunately, there’s absolutely no way we’re having a full socialist reform without a much larger support for it nationally. That message still falls flat on the ears of most liberals, forget the right. However, as we’re seeing with people like Bernie and Zohran, progressive social democracy is quite popular.

After Trump, the pendulum is going to swing far to the left. It’s our best chance to elect progressives into the Democratic Party through primaries and start pushing the Overton Window back to the left. We can get there progressively without burning the nation down first.

It’s proven to have worked in several dictatorships.

The alternative is copying the communists in 1939 Germany, inciting small-scale violence (the Reichstag fire), then being persecuted and removed from the resistance. Remember how that story ended?

In the late 90s/early 2000s it was the WWII channel. Non-stop Third Reich munitions, strategies, successes, and failures. They may want to bring that back.

I just got home from a protest. There were no arrests. Lots of exposure though.

How do you expect to get a socialist revolution without well established channels of communication? Once violence begins, your ability to network is greatly strained. If you’re trying to organize, you should be creating dedicated communication channels and counting your numbers before moving on to action. That’s what we’re doing with 50501, and we’ve grown to 25M members, even though we only get ~10M to take action.

You really need to work on your strategy. You won’t be able to usher in a socialist utopia if the plans aren’t laid in advance.

What agenda are you trying to push here? Are you an accelerationist wishing for the success of fascism? You’re using inflammatory language and projection against my cited facts and logic. What is your goal?

My goal is to grow our resistance. That can happen in broad daylight through protected peaceful protests, or through an oppressed underground resistance. The latter will take far more effort and time to achieve the same result.

Correct. Right now the largest organized movement is a protest. Violence will reduce our ability to continue to grow those numbers.