Given that context, can you see how the people who want to stop putting holes in the boat would get frustrated with the people putting holes in the boat

Yes. Can you see how starting to namecall like a toddler is a bad plan? Now you destroy all possibility of cooperation, and the boat is still sinking. It makes things worse!

would be baffled by someone more concerned about the descriptive pejorative than they are by the other guys putting holes in the boats?

Let’s say a boat is sinking. There’s people making holes and there’s toddlers screaming and shouting and kicking everyone in sight. Can you see how a reasonable person would see both as an annoying hinderance that make things worse, not better? How one group telling they don’t like the other group is useless and frustrating childish behaviour - the boat is sinking, remember?

Your whole plan is to show them how things would be better

Yes. Work on technology and policy others will want to copy for their own benefit. It’s the only thing that’s going to work.

The growth in solar power production, for example, isn’t because it’s green. It’s because it’s a cheaper way of producing power in many situations. That’s all that is.

The current methodology of bullying is not working, even doing the reverse. Emissions are currently at an all time high, and rising. Your plan is to keep doing that same thing, antagonize the majority of the world, and expect a different outcome?

These countries

You’re talking about the majority of the world. If you read the article, the EU is part of only a very small group of countries, representing a very very small part of the world’s population and emissions.

We can, and are, antagonizing them all. They can and are simply ignoring us. How does that help climate change mitigation? Or is that not the goal?

You’re saying we should give Jeffery Dahmer a hand job to convince him to stop killing people.

Where did I say that?

I, instead, proposed leading by example. To stop the hateful speech and namecalling that is hindering policy change.

I proposed actually developing good technology and policy internally, that others will want to copy, for their own benefit.

What we’re currently doing, screaming and shouting like a toddler, is clearly not working.

Days like that are so conflicting to me. In part it feels good. I always feel scared, useless, and restless, after.

Sadly, that divisive rethoric seems to be the only thing you’re capable of. Once again, completely ignoring constructive, cooperative thinking, to focus on namecalling and your ego.

the world should rather hail (…)

That’s a false dichotomy, a childish one, that hurts everyone.

I presented a third option, one that would have direct positive effect locally, and long term positive effect globally. It’s the part of my comment you ignored in favour of divisive rethoric.

If only people, like you, weren’t so short sighted, fixated on name calling and bullying. The choice isn’t “who should we bully”. We should just not bully at all. We could use the same effort to look for solutions instead.

I really wonder about these people’s reasoning? If only we call others names in public, bully them, they’ll change their minds? Climate action will occur? It’s clearly not working!

These other countries are sovereign. EU has very little to offer them. So what’s left is to convince them by being a great example of how climate action, energy security, economical wellfare and political stability can be balanced. They’ll copy the policy, when it’s an example worth following, to their benefit.

Just throwing tantrums like Hoekstra is embarrassing and more importantly contra productive to the cause. I understand that reasonable people don’t want to work together with that.

As far as I understood lithium ion batteries still need oxygen from the air to burn.

This is incorrect.

The most common method for addressing a lithium-ion vehicle fire involves fully submerging the vehicle to allow the energy to dissipate as steam.

However, many underground parking facilities in my area are beginning to ban electric cars, as more fires start to occur, and retrofitting the necessary tanks to ensure fire safety is proving challenging.

Li-ion fire safety is a very difficult thing.

Hackerman caught red pawed

Haha 😄

It’s of huge help when you can’t leave.

What examples are you thinking about?

Most exiting new technologies, I find, people don’t talk about and aren’t part of publicly listed company.

Sad truth

largely due to a lack of competitiveness with China and the US

Where does the lack of competitiveness come from?

The move to a sustainable economy is an opportunity (…)

should make sure that industry jobs are not lost and that Europe’s industrial sectors and their workers are fundamental to delivering the climate solutions Europe needs, which are very different things to what you said

It’s been decades now of supposed opportunity, could and should, of storytelling, hypotheticals and promises, as in your references.

The results are in, the promises turned out false. EU has the most expensive energy of the world, is losing industry faster than ever, there is no novel “green industry”. People are looking at reality instead of the fantasy could/should stories.

EU’s agenda on climate change is being ignored for valid reasons. We’re an unreliable partner in accelerating economical, industrial and thus geopolitical decline.

If we want to convince others on the necessary climate change mitigation methods, we’ll have to have something to offer.

We’ll have to implement the mitigation methods in a way that shows they’re a benefit. So others will want to copy. So far that hasn’t happened. We’ve shown the opposite.

Never learning to socialize with other kids their own age

Even when going through a normal education system, this would not happen. The difference in both ability and interests is so large that there’s little shared basis for socialization. This way there’s at least some socialization.

not getting taken seriously by adults until they’re much older.

Why do you think that’s the case?

Remember Hoekstra’s emberassing speech? Like a toddler throwing a tantrum. (1)

“Under no circumstances are we going to accept this.” in name of EU. They accepted it two days later as everyone ignores him anyways.

Almost none of the other countries cares for EU’s opinion because the EU has shown that the greenification comes at the cost of most expensive energy in the world (1), deindustrialization (2), becoming completely dependent on foreign r&d and manufacturing. This also has military consequences, as we can view in Russia’s war in Ukraine - EU promised aid it can’t deliver, leading to strategic mistakes, deaths and military losses by Ukraine. This also economical consequences, leading to political instability and which will permeate to the loss of the welfare state.

We’ve made an exempliary role of ourselves, in a cautionary way.

We try to convince others by relying on slogans and wishful thinking, on the one hand. And shaming and bullying on the other. Should’ve relied instead on great engineering that others would want to follow for their own benefit. Show, don’t tell.

But we’ve no such thing - au contraire.

the answers to the climate crisis do not lie inside the climate talks

I have concerns that the opposite effect may be occurring. The leading countries in addressing climate change appear to have prioritized their efforts at the expense of industrial growth, energy security, and short-term population welfare, which has resulted in economical stagnation or decline, unhappy populations and political turmoil. Geopolitically, it seems they may have overextended their influence, leaving them with little to offer and they are easily ignored in global discussions.

Developing and manufacturing nations view that approach as a cautionary example.

Annoying. I’m on xfce and would switch if they do that.

Same as with banking. It’s “optional”, but eventually not really.

This is why tails even fixes browser window size. It’s been a while since I looked at this landscape. Is tails still one of the best choices for, for example, whistleblowers?

It was quite obvious indeed, as they also defaced the website. I switched to Linux Mint XFCE edition because of it :)