According to her social media, Ms Morey was the loving owner of what appears to be an XL bully.
In one video on TikTok, she is seen dancing with a dog in a kitchen.
The video is covered by a male voice saying: “This is my son and I don’t give a f*** if you think he looks aggressive and I don’t give a f*** if you don’t like the look of him and I surely don’t give a f*** whether you think the breed should be banned.”
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Another chilling video appearing to show her as the owner of several dogs is captioned: “But if one of us dies - I hope I die first.” The video ends with a caption reading: “Love my family.”
Murder was the wrong word. Im not talking about people im talking about the breeds. Wishing for an entire breed of dog to be destroyed when their “aggression” is a result of our selective breeding and is something that can absolutely be trained out of them.
Thats why i said licenses need to come back and breeds like that should legally require training, but our government is incompetent so they’re taking the easy way out.
So many other dogs are violent and vicious, ive been attacked by smaller dogs way more than i have staffies or bullies. Its just these bigger ones that get the hate because theyre stronger.
OK fair point.
But XLs were intentionally bread as fighting dogs. So while I agree extermination of the breed is cruel.
Encouraging breeder to continue the breed is also unacceptable. And as we do not currently have the ability to change laws in other nations. The current law that requires owners to register and raise the dogs safly. IE using a muzzle. Is likely the best we can do atm.
Unfortunately dogs are legally treated as property. So banning anyone from owning a dog that is less desirable. Basically translates to put the dog down if you cannot find someone willing to follow the new laws.
I’d love the laws on dogs to think of them more as a responsibility then property. But we also have to accept the nation we live in is not going to do that.
I grew up in a time of dog licencing. At that time it was basically a small fee you paid yearly token a dog.
So the idea of making that more effective would be fine by me.
But. I really worry about how such things would be implemented. We have just been through a pretty drastic change in what dog training means. Up until about 10 years ago everything we knew about dogs. Was based on 1930s scientific research.
Very flawed research based on wolves I captivity. As such pretty much all advice given up untill very recently. Was based on that research.
We now know wolves in captivity are not dogs. More importantly they do not act life free wolves.
Huge amounts of training such as alpha leader etc. Was based on wolves suffering stress. We also now know training this way leads to harm to the mental health of the dog.
For dangerous dogs. Upto date training is needed. But I am very uncomfortable with laws relating to have every day dogs not bread for fighting are trained. Because we know. Any rules we come up with now. Are likely to take forever to change if we learn they harm the dogs mental health later.
We do not hate bigger dogs. No one wants to limit Irish walf hounds or st Bernard’s. All huge dogs.
The difference is some dogs are physically bread to be able to kill. Others not. If you are attacked by a smaller dog. Or even a labradorite etc. Size dose not lead to them killing you.
Heck even a rotviler a dog bread with muscle and a strong jaw. Is entirly legal. And has no seriose desire to ban. Because they are not bread to be aggressive.
XL bully’s and many other banned dogs are not banned due to size. They are banned as the whole breed was created as a marketing gimmick. To sell to unthinking owners looking for a weapon on 4 legs.
And just like anything else sold in that manner… restrictions are applied. That basically say. Store it safly. Or you must notmow one. If you ow an XL bully. Options exist that do not require you to kill it. House it safly at you ow cost. Or find a ho e that is willing to do so.
When a small dog bites you. You are there to take the owner to court. As you always have the right to do.
When the dogs banned bite you. That is often not an option. As the dog is able to kill you. Most domestic dogs are not able and or not bread with the desire to fight.
Yeah, I guess you’re right. I appreciate the calm rundown, all discussion of this topic seems to be filled with hate and anger.
I’m not immune to emotion either, but for me it just saddens me when I see owners of genuinely well trained bullies, like the channel i linked earlier, get penalised and judged in the streets. I keep thinking theres got to be a better way but as you said, changing of law will take forever.
They are definitely far more of a responsibility than property, the fact that alot of people dont understand that is mind boggling. They’re living creatures that are dependant on you for their food and mental well being.
I really hope the well trained dogs affected by this can run the course of their lives in peace without abuse on the streets.
Replying in this thread because I like the openness and communication of it.
I completely agree with you Sharp this could be addressed by breeding and training. But … the end goal is not to have aggressive murder machines on our streets. The breeding of power and aggression into the breed shouldn’t have been done in my opinon (or allowed into the UK). Breeding out the aggression, effectively means eliminating the breed anyway and gives us a transition period of completely unknown dogs.
Unfortunately, the primary reason (in my worthless opinion) for owning these dogs is the visage of power and aggression. The public penalty of that is part of owning that “power symbol”. The public reaction to the dogs, is the reason people want them in the first place.
I do compare this to “assault weapons” in the US. It’s not a phrase that makes much clear sense (like XL Bully). If what you want is a working tool, get a different gun/breed. If what you want is a family companion, get a different breed. If you want the power symbol, get the XL Bully or the “assault weapon”. There’s no specific reason to own that specific dog, except the power symbol.