Careful the steps you take from those kinds of thoughts, here. Lemmy is best when it is unified. A split down the middle, even worse, three ways could have drastic consequences for the sort of community, or even segmented communities that Lemmy could become if it schisms.
Lemmy could be a center-left haven for rational thought, or in three years it could be an extremely leftist community fighting an extremely right-wing community fighting a group that wants nothing to do with either, all cut off from eachother with non-political subs and the overall community suffering as a result.
Lemmy will have a responsibility to thousands of users, only Lemmy is a federation. People here will come to agreements on various topics and political issues and it won’t take long before the community is split on one.
Who calls the shots when everyone has equal say? That’s when groups and hate start.
I’m not saying everyone needs to agree politically. It’s that on a long enough timeline, you’ll either be here in agreement or disdain over the political climate chosen by Lemmy together.
There’s no such thing as “Lemmy together”, Lemmy servers are individual instances of “Lemmy software” created and managed by different individuals that are totally independent from each other.
It’s like individual subreddits, managed by different mods, each one with it’s own rules and beliefs.
Weren’t some subreddits split and hated each other? YES
Did that make reddit not valuable as a platform? NO because there were still many subs with amazing people and quality content.
When you have millions of people, divisions are inevitable, it will surely happen here if Lemmy gets enough traction, but I don’t see it as a problem, reddit was fine regardless of it, Lemmy will be fine as well.
“Who calls the shots when everyone has equal say?” this is pretty much one of the core design goals of federated services. You get say in your server. People will federate or defederate naturally between servers, that’s… The point.
it won’t take long before the community is split on one.
People are always “split” on all kinds of topics… Conflicts and disagreements are part of the human experience and impossible to avoid… The question is how you deal with conflicts… Trying to avoid or suppress them doesn’t work…
Who calls the shots when everyone has equal say?
Nobody calls the shots, that’s the entire point… People are free to form communities and run their communities however they see fit… If a community has an issue with another community in significant enough ways, they will block each other and that’s it…
And it’s not like this is anything knew… The internet is inherently diverse when it comes to different opinions, and that’s ok…
This didn’t happen because of ideology or differing views, this happened because the beehawk admins want a heavily moderated community and at the moment, they cannot do that due to too many users joining lemmy.
I’m not a lemmy admin, there were some who argued that there were better ways to address those issues, but that’s their reasoning for this, according to them, temporary de-federalisation.
it won’t take long before the community is split on one.
People are always “split” on all kinds of topics… Conflicts and disagreements are part of the human experience and impossible to avoid… The question is how you deal with conflicts… Trying to avoid or suppress them doesn’t work…
Who calls the shots when everyone has equal say?
Nobody calls the shots, that’s the entire point… People are free to form communities and run their communities however they see fit… If a community has an issue with another community in significant enough ways, they will block each other and that’s it…
And it’s not like this is anything knew… The internet is inherently diverse when it comes to different opinions, and that’s ok…
I tried. Can’t join any of them. This was actually my 10th server I signed up for and it finally let me in. The rest mention a validation email that never comes.
I see your point and raise you the fact that I shouldn’t have to deal with people who legitimately want me dead. And a lot of tankies unironically unapologetically do. Same thing I say to the alt-right applies: Free speech isn’t a guarantee of a platform and it absolutely doesn’t mean anyone has to listen to you.
I’m gonna fill up my block list in about a day at this rate.
Anarchists laughing at the thought that tankies don’t want them dead.
Tankies, very often, align with fascists on specific policy decisions. That’s a huge part of what makes them tankies in the first place. Having a different aesthetic does not make them not authoritarian. You can talk about tankies supporting LGBTQ+ when most tankies aren’t actively supporting Russia, a nation notoriously anti-LGBTQ+.
Important part of your second point, other leftists.
I’m not sure you’ve illustrated that it’s actually a bad thing for Lemmy to fragment naturally. That’s almost a certainty due to the nature of it. If Nazis started a server, which I have no doubt that they will, it will almost instantly be fragmented off, for example.
Lemmy isn’t inherently better with bigger user counts, part of the core idea is actually to have numerous smaller communities. The internet was plenty healthy before everyone all used the same platforms.
We can’t block them and they commingle with communities we do want to see. It’s impossible not to participate when it’s absolutely everywhere. My first thought when I came to Lemmy was “Wow, this is a better reddit.” An hour later? “Wow, this is just a tankie site.”
Of course you can block them, you can block anyone you want… You can only choose to get content from communities you are subscribing to… You can choose to only get local content… And if you want, you can even create your own Lemmy instance, only allow people you want, block any other instance you want and only browse locally…
It’s as if you browse reddit/r/all and then complain that you get the content from subs you don’t want…
Careful the steps you take from those kinds of thoughts, here. Lemmy is best when it is unified. A split down the middle, even worse, three ways could have drastic consequences for the sort of community, or even segmented communities that Lemmy could become if it schisms.
Lemmy could be a center-left haven for rational thought, or in three years it could be an extremely leftist community fighting an extremely right-wing community fighting a group that wants nothing to do with either, all cut off from eachother with non-political subs and the overall community suffering as a result.
Are you saying that everyone should have the same political opinions? I don’t think so.
Each individual has the right to have their own opinions, and they have the right to express them, no matter how we might like them or not.
Blocking features exist for that reason, if something is too much for you to bear, block it and move on.
Like reddit?
Lemmy will have a responsibility to thousands of users, only Lemmy is a federation. People here will come to agreements on various topics and political issues and it won’t take long before the community is split on one.
Who calls the shots when everyone has equal say? That’s when groups and hate start.
I’m not saying everyone needs to agree politically. It’s that on a long enough timeline, you’ll either be here in agreement or disdain over the political climate chosen by Lemmy together.
There’s no such thing as “Lemmy together”, Lemmy servers are individual instances of “Lemmy software” created and managed by different individuals that are totally independent from each other.
It’s like individual subreddits, managed by different mods, each one with it’s own rules and beliefs.
Weren’t some subreddits split and hated each other? YES
Did that make reddit not valuable as a platform? NO because there were still many subs with amazing people and quality content.
When you have millions of people, divisions are inevitable, it will surely happen here if Lemmy gets enough traction, but I don’t see it as a problem, reddit was fine regardless of it, Lemmy will be fine as well.
“Who calls the shots when everyone has equal say?” this is pretty much one of the core design goals of federated services. You get say in your server. People will federate or defederate naturally between servers, that’s… The point.
People are always “split” on all kinds of topics… Conflicts and disagreements are part of the human experience and impossible to avoid… The question is how you deal with conflicts… Trying to avoid or suppress them doesn’t work…
Nobody calls the shots, that’s the entire point… People are free to form communities and run their communities however they see fit… If a community has an issue with another community in significant enough ways, they will block each other and that’s it…
And it’s not like this is anything knew… The internet is inherently diverse when it comes to different opinions, and that’s ok…
You were saying?
https://sh.itjust.works/post/103490
This didn’t happen because of ideology or differing views, this happened because the beehawk admins want a heavily moderated community and at the moment, they cannot do that due to too many users joining lemmy.
I’m not a lemmy admin, there were some who argued that there were better ways to address those issues, but that’s their reasoning for this, according to them, temporary de-federalisation.
People are always “split” on all kinds of topics… Conflicts and disagreements are part of the human experience and impossible to avoid… The question is how you deal with conflicts… Trying to avoid or suppress them doesn’t work…
Nobody calls the shots, that’s the entire point… People are free to form communities and run their communities however they see fit… If a community has an issue with another community in significant enough ways, they will block each other and that’s it…
And it’s not like this is anything knew… The internet is inherently diverse when it comes to different opinions, and that’s ok…
Cool, where’s the button to block lemmy.ml and lemmygrad?
If you want to block them as a server, go to a server that already does that, there are a few.
I tried. Can’t join any of them. This was actually my 10th server I signed up for and it finally let me in. The rest mention a validation email that never comes.
I’d block lemmygrad, tbh.
I’m not blocking Lemmy.ml. They are worth a little more than one or two tankie mods. If it skews a little too far that direction, tho… maybe.
With any luck, the community itself will sway larger instances. Smaller ones… who cares?
I see your point and raise you the fact that I shouldn’t have to deal with people who legitimately want me dead. And a lot of tankies unironically unapologetically do. Same thing I say to the alt-right applies: Free speech isn’t a guarantee of a platform and it absolutely doesn’t mean anyone has to listen to you.
I’m gonna fill up my block list in about a day at this rate.
Which ‘tankies’ want you dead? Are you a fascist?
‘Tankies’ and other leftists are the only ones supporting and fighting for my rights as an LGBTQ+ individual.
Anarchists laughing at the thought that tankies don’t want them dead.
Tankies, very often, align with fascists on specific policy decisions. That’s a huge part of what makes them tankies in the first place. Having a different aesthetic does not make them not authoritarian. You can talk about tankies supporting LGBTQ+ when most tankies aren’t actively supporting Russia, a nation notoriously anti-LGBTQ+.
Important part of your second point, other leftists.
Tanki means genocide denying Muslim hating kind of corporate fascist. Like the ones at lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml
I’m not sure you’ve illustrated that it’s actually a bad thing for Lemmy to fragment naturally. That’s almost a certainty due to the nature of it. If Nazis started a server, which I have no doubt that they will, it will almost instantly be fragmented off, for example.
Lemmy isn’t inherently better with bigger user counts, part of the core idea is actually to have numerous smaller communities. The internet was plenty healthy before everyone all used the same platforms.
The entire point of sites like reddit, and even more lemmy, is that there are different communities with different purposes and views…
If you can’t handle a variety of different political opinions, don’t participate in them…
We can’t block them and they commingle with communities we do want to see. It’s impossible not to participate when it’s absolutely everywhere. My first thought when I came to Lemmy was “Wow, this is a better reddit.” An hour later? “Wow, this is just a tankie site.”
Of course you can block them, you can block anyone you want… You can only choose to get content from communities you are subscribing to… You can choose to only get local content… And if you want, you can even create your own Lemmy instance, only allow people you want, block any other instance you want and only browse locally…
It’s as if you browse reddit/r/all and then complain that you get the content from subs you don’t want…