• arcturus
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    21 year ago

    It feels like you’re treating the US as a force of nature here, rather than like a nation who is acting in this way because it’s convenient and in their interests

    like the US could just like go “hey, please do peace talks, a lot of people are dying”, but they’re not doing that

    and if the US really is that more powerful than Russia as you say, then they could rather easily start facilitating the above but once again they are not doing that

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        21 year ago

        what an embarrassing comment

        this isn’t a fucking action movie, people are literally being killed and our military presence will make that so much worse; this isn’t the time for us to boost our egos

        • @InverseParallax@lemmy.world
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          This isn’t a movie.

          This is Manchuria circa 1935.

          We are saving lives, many, many lives, like I’m sure the Chinese would have wished we’d done back then.

          We are buying peace at the cost of Russian dead, because that is the only price that can be paid for it.

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            21 year ago

            like I’m not actually communist in any meaningful sense, but they have a point about how brainwashed us Americans are pertaining the military and foreign interventions

            like again, it’s not an action movie; we’re not fucking heroes in a Saturday morning cartoon; we’re a country sending human beings to kill other human beings for almost certainly selfish reasons

            War’s not a fucking game, and the US isn’t “the savior of the world” either; it’s a country that has interests and does things to obtain or sustain those interests, and some of those things include invading other countries (like we did with Vietnam and Korea and Laos and especially the Middle East) and subverting the governments of other countries ( pick a South American country )

            like if you can’t understand that nations mainly work in their own interests and that the US has a very old pattern of invading and subverting other countries for that interest as opposed to the countries’ own interests for itself, then you basically won’t actually be able to understand any kind of foreign policy, especially that of the US’s

            it’s just baffling that you can genuinely think that the US is a hero in any military situation, after what we’ve done for decades

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              I care about absolutely none of this.

              Russia invaded another country and broke the peace of Europe without any provocation.

              I have good Ukrainian friends.

              Invaders must die.

              We need to make sure every Russian and Chinese soldier knows breaking the peace is suicide, and the choice between going to war and Gaddafi-ing your own leader isn’t a choice, you shove that bayonet in till they look like they’re wearing a picklehaube.

              We will have peace when soldiers are too terrified to dare kill.

              Putin dared break the peace of Europe, for that he MUST be tortured to death on twitch.

              • arcturus
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                21 year ago

                okay, there’s no getting to you then

                also I didn’t mention China

                • Btw, at no point did I ever say the US was great or good.

                  I said we are absolutely omnipotent-level terrifying.

                  I don’t want the US to give Ukraine F-16s.

                  I want them to give F-15Es with full strike loadout, F-35s, F-22s, stealth reapers, tactical tomahawks.

                  I want to see the Ukrainian army march on Moscow in full parade formation.

                  I want to watch the Russian people set Putin on fire, slowly, for days, as payback for what he brought upon them.

                  The people of a country need to stop their country from doing evil, so Russia making an example of Putin could well bring peace for decades.