• @the_crotch@sh.itjust.works
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      618 hours ago

      That’s what they told me in 2008 too. Then Obama won, and spent 8 years acting exactly like Bush. If the Democrats want their credibility back they need to give us more than just fear of the alternative. They failed and we’re all paying the price.

      • @Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works
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        518 hours ago

        They’ve learned literally nothing since 2016, same tired Playbook over and over, kill progressive campaigns, neuter those that win regardless, blame progressives when nothing materially changes for the populace and they don’t vote for the DNCs annoited candidate. Rinse and repeat

          • @Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works
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            517 hours ago

            Here’s the thing, that line of argument does absolutely nothing to invigorate people to vote at this point, you’re just shitting on people for having principles and offering nothing besides “the other side is worse”. Sorry it’s clearly not a winning message, I voted in all but 2016 for dems, holding my nose, but I understand why others do not.

            • @Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              417 hours ago

              People who chose fascism over democracy have no principles lol And why would I invigorate people to vote? There wont be another election lol

              • @Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works
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                216 hours ago

                Many people didn’t choose either, simply didn’t vote because they were not enabled or invigorated to do so.

                We’ll have to see if Trump actually can end democracy, but trying to pretend the democrats did everything right is laughable, maybe look deeper into why people voted Trump beyond “they’re all racists/misogynists” the answer is he spoke to their perceived version of reality and provided answers and a path “forward”.

                It’s all lies and he’s absolutely going to enrich himself and his buddies more then the country but when Harris can’t firmly differentiate herself from Biden, have a frank discussion about the issues we are facing, and provide a transformative view of the future for the better, it’s no surprise a lot of people stayed home.

    • GodlessCommieOPM
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      417 hours ago

      The people screaming about protecting democracy accepted a candidate no one voted for and was installed. Installing her was the only way to get her on the ballot.

        • GodlessCommieOPM
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          217 hours ago

          In the eyes of many leftists and left leaning liberals the DNC shifted too far to the right. They openly welcomed right wing support and right wing policy. They deserved to lose.