I am not comfortable that signal depends proprietary google library. However, I find that Molly lags significantly behind signal (around 1 to 2 weeks, so maybe not as significant as I thought), but I am just concerned that if there is a security fix in signal, molly will not be able to react as fast.

I am also quite frustrated with the general lack of communication from the signal team (for example the lack of communication regarding username). I doubt they will have the good will to help molly when there is a critical security fix.

It is frustrating that signal no longer seems like the gold standard for privacy any more; unfortunately, all my friends are on there (ironic, isn’t it…).

  • Lengsel
    2•1 year ago

    Let them stick with Molly/Signal, that will give them a lot of privacy, and nothing for them to figure out how to use.

    Leave SimpleX for people more skilled to handle how to do configurations. SimpleX does have superior privacy over Signal, but mabe they can’t do SimpleX. Take it in stages with what they can handle, don’t jump to the end.

    I’m not willing to Matrix and I don’t recommend anyone use it if they wat privacy and anonymity. I’m content only using Molly and SimpleX with everybody I know and no other apps or messaging services.

    • @muhyb@programming.dev
      1•1 year ago

      I agree. Though I think 1v1 on Matrix is fine if encrypted prior, but I mostly use Matrix as tech news/forum. Federated services are not good for privacy anyway, they are not meant to be.

      Currently I tell people to install Signal if they want to message me, I guess it would be a couple people for SimpleX. Most of my Signal list came when WhatsApp ToS made it to the news, some of them uninstalled Signal after a while but I’m okay with it. Well, I’m happy with Molly-FOSS for now. I would love to use SimpleX but it’s something.

      • Lengsel
        2•1 year ago

        I wish Mastodon had encrypted DM’s. I’ve been focusing on using Mostodon as my main place for media.

        I can’t find a Matrix client in F-Droid to use because when I turn off all of the anti-features, it seems Matrix is not an option to install something.

        Have you not tried SimpleX yet? If not, I would suggest when the new release for 5.2 is in F-Droid you should install it. I could give you an invite link to message there but I don’t want others on here using the link.

        • @muhyb@programming.dev
          0•1 year ago

          That’s a wanted feature I guess but I doubt if they will implement it.

          Did you check FluffyChat? Not sure about all the anti-features though.

          Well, I installed it some time ago but haven’t really used it. Thanks for the offer but no need to expose your privacy here, even with incognito mode. I must try it with someone I know first anyway.

              • Lengsel
                1•1 year ago

                I think my dislike comes from the hype about Matrix being federated so people think it’s safe, the fact that a company owns the matrix protocol, seeing the various apos that have non-free dependencies, when I looked before it seemed alk personal Matrix history is permanent, it seemed to be a combination of not the freedom people think it is and no clear sense of what the purpose of matrix is for, but don’t now that I had an account previously to validate all of that.

                If you want, we could talk on matrix but we both post our ID’s here publicly to make sure it matches who we message on there?

                • @muhyb@programming.dev
                  0•1 year ago

                  I guess that’s a common misconception with the federated services. Yes you can own your data if you join the federation with your own server, but once you write something on a community, it’s federated and on other servers from that moment. This is the best way to keep forums intact as long as possible, so years later someone can check those and find whatever they searched for. Reddit was great as a forum however after the recent incidents people deleted their posts and unless someone recorded that page on web archive before you won’t find anything when someone redirects you there. What people should know here, federated services are meant to be anonymous, not private.

                  Again, no need to expose anything here, and well, I’m not much of a talker anyway. :)

                  It’s fine to talk here, as long as it isn’t something personal.