• @IronDonkey@lemmy.world
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    011 months ago

    I mean, you’re paying them either way. Businesses money for salaries comes from customers. It’s still silly and indirect, but it’s not like you wouldn’t be paying the workers’ salary anyway.

      • kersploosh
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        011 months ago

        Without tipping their entirely hourly wage has to come out of what you pay for the meal. Thus the price of your meal will go up to make up for what they used to get in tips.

        • @yata@sh.itjust.works
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          11 months ago

          And that is how it works in all other civilised countries. One should think it would be possible to work in the US as well.

        • norbert
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          111 months ago

          Then the menu prices should be raised to pay a livable wage to the staff. If I can’t afford it I’ll eat at home. Don’t lure people in with the promise of one price and then guilt them into subsidizing your payroll off the book.

          Tipping culture needs to go away, it’s not the norm elsewhere and it shouldn’t be here.

        • @IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world
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          11 months ago

          Or, maybe, the owners of the restaurant make slightly less profit and pay their employees a living wage.

          There are a small number of restaurants across the US that actually do pay their servers and other employees reasonable hourly rates, and make it clear to patrons that they don’t accept tips. Prices are still reasonable and customers do continue coming back.

          • Doug [he/him]
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            111 months ago

            Or, maybe, the owners of the restaurant make slightly less profit and pay their employees a living wage.

            And maybe landlord start handing over deeds to the people paying their mortgages. But we’re operating in reality and need to consider things that might happen.

            If companies eat the cost of pay increases how will the executives afford that new yacht they’ve been eyeing?

          • @SJ0@lemmy.fbxl.net
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            011 months ago

            I know it sounds really easy to get all huffy and self-righteous, but 60% of restaurants do not make it past the first year, and 80% go under in five years.

            It’s hard out there. If the place isn’t making money, everyone loses their job.

            • @yata@sh.itjust.works
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              11 months ago

              Yeah, but then it shouldn’t really exist as a business in the first place according to the rules of capitalism, should it?

              • @SJ0@lemmy.fbxl.net
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                011 months ago

                You’re not wrong, but my point is that we’re dealing with laws of math here. You can’t just go “Just accept less profit” when the majority don’t make enough profit to survive. That money has to come from somewhere.

                My mom ran a couple restaurants at different times in her life. She’s a high school drop-out who has never had a great job so it isn’t like she’s some high class capitalist. Both restaurants failed within a year or two, and she came out each time quite a bit worse than she went in. The company in charge of the building locked the doors and kept all her stuff in lieu of rent. It’s pretty brutal. She lost all the money she put into it well beyond any money she might have made on the business itself, and she went into debt each time as a result of the failing business as well.