Forgot to note, for folks who don’t know… “Standard CEO” means the CEO of Standard Insurance. One of the largest employers in downtown Portland.
Standard Insurance Building here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Insurance_Center
Forgot to note, for folks who don’t know… “Standard CEO” means the CEO of Standard Insurance. One of the largest employers in downtown Portland.
Standard Insurance Building here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Insurance_Center
They love having a state that lets them get high with zero consequences, that’s not the same thing.
https://twitter.com/kevinvdahlgren/status/1609300954112987137
When people tell you who they are, believe them.
The thing is? You’ve told us who you are, time and time again. We get it. Now, shut the fuck up and keep your little man fears to yourself, please. The adults are actually trying to do something worthwhile.
The ones who passed 110? Gee, and that’s going OH so well… They aren’t adults, they are children in adult bodies going “But, but, I wanna get high!”
You’re right, we should totally base policy on what one person said.
She’s not the only one…
https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/homeless/downtown-portland-drug-homeless-outreach-detox/283-21ab2342-414e-4dac-b551-45461bb70442
https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/homeless/portland-homeless-p2p-meth-fentanyl-addiction/283-b8b0fe88-a86c-45af-be9c-6f648b2f8dab
https://www.wweek.com/news/city/2017/08/16/whats-the-drug-of-choice-for-portlands-homeless/
Drug culture is pervasive here. Just take a look at how many bars and liquor stores there are. We like our drugs and we like easy access to them. No different for alcohol, meth, cannabis or opioids. Some, like alcohol, meth and fentanyl are just more destructive than others.
Incredibly more destructive, but I wouldn’t say Oregon has more of an alcohol problem than other states, in fact, the way the OLCC operates, it’s probably the opposite.
According to here, there are only 280 liquor stores in Oregon:
https://www.oregon.gov/olcc/liquorstores/Pages/distilled-spirits-sales.aspx
With a population of 4.2 million, that’s 1 store for every 15,000 or so people.
Which is nothing compared to a state like Illinois which has 1,326 on a population of 12 million, or approximately 1 store for every 9,710 people.
https://thecapitolist.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Liquor-Stores-in-Non-Quota-Non-Control-States.pdf
I had a job, oh, 25 years ago or so now, where I commuted back and forth between Portland and Chicago.
Chicago was strange, even in the suburbs, because it was super hard to find a grocery store, but there were liquor stores on every corner. I had to go way out to East Jesus to find a Super Walmart or a Winco.
I still remember my favorite name: “Binnie’s Beverage Depot” - So fancy!
Wow, they’re still a thing - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binny’s_Beverage_Depot
You did the math for liquor stores (without really quantifying density, given there are dry countries and large swaths of empty land), but what about bars, wineries and distilleries? What are we up to for deaths related to alcohol (addiction and DUI killings) every year, have we exceeded 150,000 yet? It was just under 100k a few years ago, but covid might have changed it. Probably what meth/fentanyl/opioids do combined.
Some quick numbers from the NIH, 93k is the number from all non-alcohol related overdose deaths in 2020, versus just over 140,000 alcohol related deaths.
I’m curious why folks seem to harp on some drugs, but not others?
If I were to guess, it’s because the drunks aren’t sleeping in tents, stealing everything that isn’t nailed down, and shitting on sidewalks… but that’s just a guess.
… and I’ve got news for you: you’re wrong. Conservative estimates suggest that at least 1/4 of the homeless in the US feel pretty to addiction through alcohol. Since meth is fairly available and much less expensive than a fifth or half gallon of booze, it’s also available to help you forget how cold it is sleeping on the street. If you’ve spent any time in Portland, you’d remember just how bad it was when the city would open the drunk tank and dump the homeless alcoholics back out onto the street - pissing and shitting themselves on the bus, Max or in the first of a business. This was commonplace in the mid 00s, I can’t imagine it’s any different now.
Drugs are drugs are drugs. If we’re going to restrict, we need to restrict them all appropriately. We already know that the drug war on alcohol AND narcotics was a massive failure (saying nothing about how it’s turned virtually every country south of our border into narco states), so what’s next? Trafficking is still a felony in Oregon, why don’t cops enforce the law?
“Conservative estimates suggest that at least 1/4 of the homeless in the US feel pretty to addiction through alcohol.”
Or to invert your quote, 3/4 of the homeless in the US AREN’T addicted to alcohol… which is right in line with what I’m saying… the drunks aren’t the problem.
But in the end, I’m not talking about the US in general, the US in general doesn’t have an equivalent of Measure 110 and if we’re lucky it never will.
If other drugs have the same percentage of impact, or less (which is the case statistically, than alcohol, then what is the problem of the drinks aren’t the problem? If fentanyl users make up only 5% of the homeless, why go after them rather than the alcoholics?
The degree of impact is different. You don’t have drunks sleeping in tents built on a pile of 500 stolen and disassembled bicycles. You DO have that with meth and fentanyl.
The impact on the community is many hundreds of times more than alcohol.
@jordanlund I’m taking that as an unfortunate and cyclic no