If you truly believe trans people exist and deserve to be respected you wouldn’t feel the need to ask these questions.
I don’t agree. I have A LOT of questions about gender identity to which I can’t hypothesize answers because as a cis/het person I have no idea what it means and what it feels like being transgender, and I grew up in a time and a place where nobody ever talked about gender identity. The only way I can educate myself is by asking questions. Now I know a lot of people in the LGBTQ community are kinda fed up answering this kind of questions, and with good reason (cf. the “just asking questions” posture of anti-trans people). But some of us are being honest at just asking questions.
Those aren’t the kinds of questions the OP was talking about; their dogwhistle about “trans/gender ideology isn’t scientific fact” shows that they are indeed the kind of anti-trans person who is “just asking questions” to harass trans people.
If you have legitimate questions there are many excellent resources on the Internet and even in Lemmy itself where LGBTQ people will be happy to chat with you, if you approach them in a respectful manner :)
Gender ideology is not scientific fact. Gender as it is now know has literally no basis in science. Sex is biological reality. Gender is now a “feeling”.
That’s disingenuous and your own link doesn’t support what you are saying. The link demonstrates that gender to refer to self-identity is both recent and an artificial distinction. The science behind transgenderism is far from settled as much as people would like it to be. We don’t even know what causes it.
Oh no… it does say exactly that and the science is indeed settled. There’s no “artificial distinction;” science says gender and sex are indeed different. Unless of course you can link a reputable scientific organization that disagrees with that overwhelming consensus?
We don’t know what causes most cancers either. That doesn’t mean they can’t be studied scientifically.
Your own link say says that gender is a social construct now. They’re saying that there is literally no science involved, there is no basis in scientific fact there.
I didn’t say it shouldn’t be scientifically studied. It definitely should be, especially the extremely high rates of comorbid mental illnesses in trans/non-binary people.
The article you linked states that gender is now commonly considered a social construct rather than tied to your biological sex. They are making the distinction so that there is no confusion when reading their papers.
The science is not settled, they are conceding that the common use of the term now has a different meaning than it did in the past.
The science is indeed settled. Asserting once again it’s not or that trans/nb people are mentally ill is both scientifically inaccurate and morally wrong. Unless, of course, you have literally any source claiming otherwise?
That’s not “scientific fact”. For something to be scientific fact it has to have scientific facts supporting it.
From that article:
In the study of human subjects, the term gender should be used to refer to a person’s self-representation as male or female, or how that person is responded to by social institutions on the basis of the individual’s gender presentation.
“self representation” is how you feel. It’s a feeling. That’s not scientific fact. Going “we acknowledge that society now treats gender as a new thing separate to sex” isn’t the same as it being a scientifically proven fact.
I’m really not seeing the logic here, so called “feelings” are scientific facts and we do studies on them all the time. Is hunger not a feeling? Same thing with self-representation. Those aren’t nebulous concepts. Those are well-established scientific facts. Gender is an important part of self-representation and from all indications, one people have very little control over.
Gender is an important part of self-representation and from all indications, one people have very little control over.
So why are there people changing their “gender identity” multiple times a day?
so called “feelings” are scientific facts and we do studies on them all the time
Show me a scientific study that has found any existence whatsoever of “gender identity” through science. The very article linked here says it’s a social construct. Social constructs are not “scientific facts”.
I don’t agree. I have A LOT of questions about gender identity to which I can’t hypothesize answers because as a cis/het person I have no idea what it means and what it feels like being transgender, and I grew up in a time and a place where nobody ever talked about gender identity. The only way I can educate myself is by asking questions. Now I know a lot of people in the LGBTQ community are kinda fed up answering this kind of questions, and with good reason (cf. the “just asking questions” posture of anti-trans people). But some of us are being honest at just asking questions.
Those aren’t the kinds of questions the OP was talking about; their dogwhistle about “trans/gender ideology isn’t scientific fact” shows that they are indeed the kind of anti-trans person who is “just asking questions” to harass trans people.
If you have legitimate questions there are many excellent resources on the Internet and even in Lemmy itself where LGBTQ people will be happy to chat with you, if you approach them in a respectful manner :)
Gender ideology is not scientific fact. Gender as it is now know has literally no basis in science. Sex is biological reality. Gender is now a “feeling”.
I’m happy to inform you that gender is also a scientific fact: https://medicine.yale.edu/news-article/what-do-we-mean-by-sex-and-gender/ It literally has a basis in science and you can both study it and perform science on it!
That’s disingenuous and your own link doesn’t support what you are saying. The link demonstrates that gender to refer to self-identity is both recent and an artificial distinction. The science behind transgenderism is far from settled as much as people would like it to be. We don’t even know what causes it.
Oh no… it does say exactly that and the science is indeed settled. There’s no “artificial distinction;” science says gender and sex are indeed different. Unless of course you can link a reputable scientific organization that disagrees with that overwhelming consensus?
We don’t know what causes most cancers either. That doesn’t mean they can’t be studied scientifically.
Your own link say says that gender is a social construct now. They’re saying that there is literally no science involved, there is no basis in scientific fact there.
I didn’t say it shouldn’t be scientifically studied. It definitely should be, especially the extremely high rates of comorbid mental illnesses in trans/non-binary people.
The article you linked states that gender is now commonly considered a social construct rather than tied to your biological sex. They are making the distinction so that there is no confusion when reading their papers.
The science is not settled, they are conceding that the common use of the term now has a different meaning than it did in the past.
The science is indeed settled. Asserting once again it’s not or that trans/nb people are mentally ill is both scientifically inaccurate and morally wrong. Unless, of course, you have literally any source claiming otherwise?
I thought not.
Lol you can provide the source as you’re the one claiming it’s settled.
Your link does not show that it is settled. It states that they are changing their policy on what gendered terms mean in their reports.
That’s not “scientific fact”. For something to be scientific fact it has to have scientific facts supporting it.
From that article:
“self representation” is how you feel. It’s a feeling. That’s not scientific fact. Going “we acknowledge that society now treats gender as a new thing separate to sex” isn’t the same as it being a scientifically proven fact.
I’m really not seeing the logic here, so called “feelings” are scientific facts and we do studies on them all the time. Is hunger not a feeling? Same thing with self-representation. Those aren’t nebulous concepts. Those are well-established scientific facts. Gender is an important part of self-representation and from all indications, one people have very little control over.
So why are there people changing their “gender identity” multiple times a day?
Show me a scientific study that has found any existence whatsoever of “gender identity” through science. The very article linked here says it’s a social construct. Social constructs are not “scientific facts”.