Remember that video games are now the largest media industry in the world. Remember that gamergate happened almost 10 years ago now, and that Valorant is only 3 years old.
The kids playing and watching Valorant probably don’t even know enough about the controversy to make the connection. They just know an asshole when they see one.
Honestly I don’t even think capital-G Gamers play games anymore. It’s an aging demographic that is too bitter and stupid to keep up.
This boils down to “bad people are everywhere” which is universally true, to the point that it’s barely worth mentioning. You will find shitty takes and hateful people everywhere if you go out looking for it.
The question is whether the bad people are running the show, or if the bad is endemic to the culture. I don’t think you can say that of every fandom, or of gaming enthusiasts in general in 2023. And specifically I don’t think it’s fair to compare to the Valorant fanbase to something like the 2004 Smash Bros Melee fanbase.
There’s still progress to be made and bad eggs to be found in every basket, but I think there’s been enough mainstream attention and a hot enough crucible of scrutiny that we are for the most part beyond the era of “this tournament brought to you by actual rapists and chomos, don’t forget to bring your racist slurs, misogyny, and homophobic taunts to the stage for everyone to enjoy”
Nah, they are an avid gamer, too. A German themselves, in your analogy.
This is just what Twitter poisoning looks like. Full visibility and obsession of the negative, completely blind to growth, improvement, and positivity.
Some of the top eSports representatives in the world today include people like SonicFox, a gay black furry, and Scarlett, a trans woman. Still operating at the peak of their arenas and with huge fanbases of their own. And that’s only two examples; the FGC in particular has recently seen an almost comical amount of LGBT+ folks getting comfortable enough to finally reveal themselves. But instead of celebrating that, or even just celebrating any incident in which Musk gets booed, we’re still talking about that one time a journalist was slut-shamed a decade ago.
If you say so, dude. Don’t let my pointing out that toxic condemnation of whole groups of People you know nothing about is no less toxic than the behavior being attributed to said group dampen the whole toxic condemnation vibe y’all got going.
Any gamer who won’t admit that the competitive pvp crowd (namely fps and moba) aren’t toxic and prone to slinging slurs around is lying to themself. Obviously that doesn’t encompass anywhere near the entire fan base of those games, but we also can’t pretend it’s not an issue.
Dude, I play games every day, and I read manga, manhwa, and manhua. There are tons of shitty attitudes, racism, bigotry, and misogyny I see everyday. Comment section I read just a few mins ago where the manhwa is discussing how dark magic isn’t really evil, a comment shows KKK image in an HH salute with the comment “I hate everything that’s dark.”
I know lots of good people from those communities also, but they don’t defend the community like you’re doing. Admit it has a problem, even if you love it. Nothing is perfect, and so nothing is without problems. Pointing it out can help reduce those problems or let your fellow community members know you don’t find it funny or acceptable. If you just stick your head in the sand then claim “not all _______”, it’s equivalent to not acknowledging the issue and asking the rest of us to just accept it as is.
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You are equating a large group of People with the tiny portion focused upon by media.
There are no capital-G Gamers following Valorant.
Remember that video games are now the largest media industry in the world. Remember that gamergate happened almost 10 years ago now, and that Valorant is only 3 years old.
The kids playing and watching Valorant probably don’t even know enough about the controversy to make the connection. They just know an asshole when they see one.
Honestly I don’t even think capital-G Gamers play games anymore. It’s an aging demographic that is too bitter and stupid to keep up.
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This boils down to “bad people are everywhere” which is universally true, to the point that it’s barely worth mentioning. You will find shitty takes and hateful people everywhere if you go out looking for it.
The question is whether the bad people are running the show, or if the bad is endemic to the culture. I don’t think you can say that of every fandom, or of gaming enthusiasts in general in 2023. And specifically I don’t think it’s fair to compare to the Valorant fanbase to something like the 2004 Smash Bros Melee fanbase.
There’s still progress to be made and bad eggs to be found in every basket, but I think there’s been enough mainstream attention and a hot enough crucible of scrutiny that we are for the most part beyond the era of “this tournament brought to you by actual rapists and chomos, don’t forget to bring your racist slurs, misogyny, and homophobic taunts to the stage for everyone to enjoy”
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Lots of “this not all Germans are Nazis bullshit” vibe you got going suggests you may need to look in the mirror a bit more before posting your rants.
Nah, they are an avid gamer, too. A German themselves, in your analogy.
This is just what Twitter poisoning looks like. Full visibility and obsession of the negative, completely blind to growth, improvement, and positivity.
Some of the top eSports representatives in the world today include people like SonicFox, a gay black furry, and Scarlett, a trans woman. Still operating at the peak of their arenas and with huge fanbases of their own. And that’s only two examples; the FGC in particular has recently seen an almost comical amount of LGBT+ folks getting comfortable enough to finally reveal themselves. But instead of celebrating that, or even just celebrating any incident in which Musk gets booed, we’re still talking about that one time a journalist was slut-shamed a decade ago.
Precisely the point I was trying to make. Thank you for making it better.
Especially those playing competitive pvp games.
Show us on the doll where the twelve year old CoD fortnite player hurt you.
You’re kinda making things worse.
If you say so, dude. Don’t let my pointing out that toxic condemnation of whole groups of People you know nothing about is no less toxic than the behavior being attributed to said group dampen the whole toxic condemnation vibe y’all got going.
Any gamer who won’t admit that the competitive pvp crowd (namely fps and moba) aren’t toxic and prone to slinging slurs around is lying to themself. Obviously that doesn’t encompass anywhere near the entire fan base of those games, but we also can’t pretend it’s not an issue.
Dude, I play games every day, and I read manga, manhwa, and manhua. There are tons of shitty attitudes, racism, bigotry, and misogyny I see everyday. Comment section I read just a few mins ago where the manhwa is discussing how dark magic isn’t really evil, a comment shows KKK image in an HH salute with the comment “I hate everything that’s dark.”
I know lots of good people from those communities also, but they don’t defend the community like you’re doing. Admit it has a problem, even if you love it. Nothing is perfect, and so nothing is without problems. Pointing it out can help reduce those problems or let your fellow community members know you don’t find it funny or acceptable. If you just stick your head in the sand then claim “not all _______”, it’s equivalent to not acknowledging the issue and asking the rest of us to just accept it as is.
Thanks for proving my point.
Your point being that you can out edge lord the whiniest of twelve year olds was well made already.