So to preface this is posted in literature.cafe’s meta community but this
question is primarily aimed at generally anyone in the lemmyverse who is NOT a
cisgender man no matter what instance they may be in. The purpose of this thread
is to present a stage for conversation for those willing to contribute, and
although cisgender men are not excluded I kindly ask you to be mindful of the
fact what this thread is meant for and try to avoid talking over others here. If
you are a cisgender man interested in learning and seeing how lemmy can improve
like I am: welcome. For those who are here to cause issues or talk over others
though, you will be promptly removed. I do not know the demographic data of
lemmy, but I would wager a large portion are male. And over the past few weeks I
have witnessed women on numerous occasion discuss their discomfort on here.
Reddit very much had a very “bro-y” feeling culture for many, that felt like a
barrier to entry to many women. With lemmy, there’s a potential to break this.
But the answer really is how? Lemmy has begun to develop into its own culture
already independent of Reddit quite rapidly, and it’s been awesome to see but I
am wondering if there’s a way we can push it a step further and implement ways
to make the platform more welcoming to women than Reddit previously did.
Thoughts?
Conversation ongoing over there, inviting anyone who wants to participate to please consider sharing their thoughts if they are willing to. If you wanna post in the original thread from your instance copy and paste the link into your instances search panel
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Well, really the only way to do that is to try and fix the underlying problem, which is largely the ignorance and or malice of men IRL. That’s a societal issue though, and one that can’t be fixed by Lemmy on Lemmy.
The best method online is just good moderation and not to let their (harmful actors) disingenuous “but mah free speeeccchh” arguments work.
Yeah, the real problem is that it’s socially acceptable to be an asshole, but unacceptable to call it out. There needs to be far less tolerance for people insisting “no, you’re actually being cruel by telling me i did a misogyny” while at the same time allowing those who make honest mistakes or are really young to figure it out. I often feel like moderators are stuck doing the work of parenting vast swathes of people who choose not to grow up.
In addition to this, the Internet is (mostly) anonymous, you don’t know if you’re talking to an edgy 14 year old saying things to get a reaction or if it is someone who actually thinks those terrible things. The former needs compassion and teaching while the latter needs to face consequences of some kind. Neither of those should be the job of a random person moderating a forum.
If it’s anything like menslib on Reddit then hurray! That’s one of maybe 3 subs I miss. It was well moderated and I think offered a truly positive contribution for many men.
Absolutely. Having people involved in this discussion directly and hearing their experiences on lemmy from a non-cis male perspective may help a lot with moderation tool development to gauge what safety concerns need to be addressed.
Moderation is difficult, saying as someone who did mod work on Reddit previously. There’s enough misogynistic men that it’s swimming against the current.
Well, really the only way to do that is to try and fix the underlying problem, which is largely the ignorance and or malice of men IRL. That’s a societal issue though, and one that can’t be fixed by Lemmy on Lemmy.
The best method online is just good moderation and not to let their (harmful actors) disingenuous “but mah free speeeccchh” arguments work.
Yeah, the real problem is that it’s socially acceptable to be an asshole, but unacceptable to call it out. There needs to be far less tolerance for people insisting “no, you’re actually being cruel by telling me i did a misogyny” while at the same time allowing those who make honest mistakes or are really young to figure it out. I often feel like moderators are stuck doing the work of parenting vast swathes of people who choose not to grow up.
In addition to this, the Internet is (mostly) anonymous, you don’t know if you’re talking to an edgy 14 year old saying things to get a reaction or if it is someone who actually thinks those terrible things. The former needs compassion and teaching while the latter needs to face consequences of some kind. Neither of those should be the job of a random person moderating a forum.
We’re working on it over at !mensliberation@lemmy.ca!
If it’s anything like menslib on Reddit then hurray! That’s one of maybe 3 subs I miss. It was well moderated and I think offered a truly positive contribution for many men.
Absolutely. Having people involved in this discussion directly and hearing their experiences on lemmy from a non-cis male perspective may help a lot with moderation tool development to gauge what safety concerns need to be addressed.
Moderation is difficult, saying as someone who did mod work on Reddit previously. There’s enough misogynistic men that it’s swimming against the current.