• Leadership knew that the taliban was not responsible for 9/11 but entered the country anyway. Unlike Iraq, there is no oil in Afghanistan. There was no strategic value in conquering this country other than intimidating other countries not to fuck with the states.
  • USA spends 39% of global spending on military but has only 4% of the population.
  • Vietnam is the most bombed country in the world.
  • The US has caused so much suffering, instated dictators like Pinochet, fueled proxy wars in Latin America and in the middle-east, they even funded the taliban in the 80s.
  • American foreign policy is insane and USA is a terrorist state.

change my mind internet.

edit: spelling

  • @Saganaki
    1•1 year ago

    i like your thinking. especially the part about needing an ally like Isreal in the middle east.

    Eh, it’s not a great argument—just an argument.

    I think that the idea of “least bad option” and power vacums is messed up. I am a pacifist. Maybe this is the world we live in. Step on people or get stepped on. I just think the charade of US being some benevolent savior is such bullshit and it would be nice to shed some light on all the suffering an injustice caused by waging all these foreign wars.

    I agree. It’s not merely messed up, but fucked up. Unfortunately, I honestly believe that another super power would eventually do the same thing the US is doing. I don’t claim that the US is some benevolent savior and honestly, barring MAGA republicans, I don’t think many US citizens do either. Is there a sense of apathy? Most definitely—people don’t believe (in many cases, rightfully so) they have an impact/voice in the matter.

    I think the least bad option would be diplomacy.

    Agreed. But history has shown time and time again, it doesn’t always work. You can’t do diplomacy without power behind it. Look at Russia v Ukraine for an example.

    I think the least bad option would be not to bully other countries through threats of violence or economical sanctions of they don’t come around to US policy.

    Sure? But sometimes that’s required because some country’s leadership won’t respond to anything other than violence/sanctions.

    I think that manufacturing consent through accusing other countries of not being democratic is doesn’t justify war. That is lying to the public and makes people not trust government.

    Sure, but that’s politics. In a utopian ideal of a world, that makes sense. I don’t think it does for our world, though.