• @papertowels
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    7 months ago

    Are you differentiating between active conflicts that the US has been involved in versus the preventative protection of it…looming?

    Because let me tell you, Russia doesn’t make a stink about NATO because of Belgium…

    • Cyclohexane
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      37 months ago

      So can you answer the question? Has there been a threat or Russian aggression into Western Europe that was averted due to US involvement? I am yet to see that.

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        47 months ago

        Do you not understand the concept of deterrence through strength or are you being intentionally dense?

        Do you believe for one second that Putin stops with Ukraine if NATO and the US weren’t standing in his way?

        • Cyclohexane
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          37 months ago

          or are you being intentionally dense?

          Is your argument not good enough on its own, that you have to engage in personal attacks? No I am not dense. Please keep these comments to yourself. If you can’t engage in a civil discussion, I will report you to moderators.

          Do you not understand the concept of deterrence

          I do understand it. Now I’d love to see a proof of the presence of a threat that was deterred due to US military budget.

          Do you believe for one second that Putin stops with Ukraine if NATO and the US weren’t standing in his way?

          I need to see proof to believe that Russia is a threat to the parts of Europe you speak of, and said threat was deterred by US military budget. Otherwise I will continue not believing it.

      • @papertowels
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        27 months ago

        I am asking for clarification for the question - how are you taking into account deterrence? What do you accept as a sign of successful deterrence?

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          27 months ago

          I want to see evidence of a real threat, with evidence that it was going to happen, but was only avoided due to said deterrence. I believe that would be the textbook definition of deterrence. Anything else is not. But I am open minded if you have an alternate definition that is reasonable.

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            How many historical examples of this can you come up with, across the world? I’m currently thinking that’s an unreasonable set of requirements.

            In my books, having the big gun in the room is deterrence. You don’t need for someone to attempt shit for it to count as deterrence - if nobody is stupid enough to try anything at all you have successfully deterred others.