Why was lemmygrad blocked? - sh.itjust.works
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Did the admins poll the community about it? Why was such measure so needed? If the tankie content is so annoying why not let users decide what they want to see or not and what they want to block? I don’t like that the admins want to censor the content I can view or not. You guys are not protecting us nor doing us a favor, you’re imposing your views over everyone else by limiting the information we are able to receive. I don’t support the devs views or the views in lemmygrad, but this is a dangerous precedent. I’ve read several of the “arguments” for blocking the instance and all I can see is a bunch of people talking about politics and arguing about “floods in the frontpage”. Well, let the user block communities if that’s the case, same way I’m already blocking communities I’m not interested. I think the admins want to feel like Facebook moderation. I’d be OK with it if any instance repeatedly generated spam, security, doxxing or any other concern that couldn’t be solved by banning individuals, otherwise it’s just plain censorship. I just don’t want the admins to use their power to decide what I can see or not. If this is going to be like this, I’ll leave for a better instance because I can see where this is going to.

EDIT: It seems that I have may have gotten the wrong impression about the community structure here from the @TheDude comment I listed below. It looks like this should have been posted to The Agora. I appreciate everyone who took the time to respond. Now I must go find fresh air and see if I can find this grass thing that I have heard so much about.

First, let me say thank you for spending your time and money on creating and maintaining this instance.

Second, the name sh.itjust.works is great. It gives me a little half smile every time I type it.

Third, I am hoping this can be my Fediverse home base but I have a single concern.

Now on to the meat:

I have been over on lemmy.world for the last few days and really enjoying the content and experience, but as I was learning more about the Fediverse I realized they have blocked a whole slew of other instances. Most of the reason I have grown to dislike and distrust reddit over the years was because of their random subreddit bans that didn’t follow their own rules and processes, so it was a pretty big turn-off for me looking at the lemmy.world Instances List.

When I heard this instance only had two blocked instances, I immediately came here to check it out. I quickly saw like-minded individuals genuinely engaging in reasonable discussion about what should and should not be defederated, so I decided to go ahead and make an account. It didn’t take long though before I decided to look into why each of the instances were banned.

It seems like burggit allows simulated CP which is a pretty decent reason for blocking them in my mind. On the other hand, the only thing I could find about lemmygrad.ml was this (https://sh.itjust.works/comment/130474) post that says you blocked it because of your personal convictions.

Given that this instance is your own personal project, I certainly don’t fault you for choosing what is acceptable and what is not, but I am concerned about making sh.itjust.works my home base if it is just the start. Based on the previous post it doesn’t seem like something you are going to change your mind about, nor do I have an interest in trying to convince you to do so. What I would like to know is if this is going to be a regular thing.

Are you intending to block any instances with political opinions that you are staunchly against? Further, are you planning to create any sort of standard for what kind of instance you are likely or unlikely to ban in the future?

Bonus question for my curiosity: What makes lemmygrad so against your personal convictions? While I have a basic understanding of Marxism/Communism and am aware that current communist countries have a pretty questionable history of violence and suppressing personal and political freedoms, I think an objective viewer might say the same thing about the representative republic that I live in.

tl;dr: Are you going to block other instances for personal reasons? Also, are you going to create any standards to indicate which instances may be blocked in the future?

    • @Nahvi@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
      13•1 year ago

      lemmygrad.ml is generally defederated.

      The fact that a bunch of other instances also defederated something has no bearing at all on my thoughts or opinions.

      To explain it, remember r/thedonald?

      I do remember r/thedonald. Though it has been awhile the thing that stands out in my memory is that reddit seemed to ban it because other redditors couldn’t stand it being around, not because it violated their TOS.

      Its an extremist group.

      lemmygrad.ml might be filled with extremists and is definitely not my cup of tea, but blocking any and all groups that are a little different from mainstream standards is not the kind of thing I can get behind.

      Most of our beloved democratic, republican, and liberal ideals were extremist views not so long ago.

      Are you saying lemmygrd.ml is not an extremist group? Or are you defending them?

      And just so we are clear, I downvoted you because of this kind of you have to agree with me or you are defending me enemy phrasing.

    • TsincEnglish
      10•1 year ago

      You said the community that mainly contains the following message would be as extreme as TD.

      I support freedom. I support individual right to choose.

      What does that even mean? I know a lot of republicans struggle with this concept. Don’t bully them. Their smooth brains struggle.

      Guns kill people. Every other country has solved this problem. Control who has access to guns. Do you really think you will stand up to the entire government, military, with a single assault rifle? Grow the fuck up. Make your community better. Stop living in perpetual fear.

      Women have a right to decide for themselves. Abortion is always an option. A ball of cells is not a baby. Its not murder. Stop forcing rape victims to birth.

      Christian ministers, priests, reverends. These are the single biggest perpetrators of molestation. Supporting christianity is supporting the destruction of childhoods.

      How many drag queens have been arrested abd charged? How many catholics?

      look inwards. take a moment to consider why you’re being built, pushed, towards hate.

      You can change. You can open your eyes. You can be accepted. I have forgiveness for those who are genuine. Reality is here for you.

      do you not consider why you’re attacked or ostracised from society? Its because your views are toxic. Your views are hateful. Your views go against what the majority of humanity wants and stands for.

      You can be better. You can grow and learn.

      Hand in your fascist card. We can accept you. Just let go of your hate and anger.

      Propaganda has blinded you. Its your choice to simply turn away. Help exists wherever you reach out.

      Open your eyes.

      Open your eyes

      We are here for you. We are here to support your journey back to reality.

      It’s scary. But you have support. Just ask.

      https://lemmy.world/post/108227

      Thanks for letting me add this

      • GodEnglish
        6•1 year ago

        I just read a few poses on the community. Maybe this is there somewhere, but there’s a shitton of what many would consider hate speech in there.

        (i am not a conservative and don’t support their cause, simply an independent observer)

        Just one example from here https://lemmy.world/post/105545 :

        Republicans are scum. You are not welcome.

        I’m not even american. I have my own local conservative bullshit to deal with. Which is handled elsewhere.

        The conservative belief is nothing more than “no change. Live in the status quo”.

        You are history. You are the bottom of society. You will be left in dust, in the history books. But they will remember you. You will be documented for generations to come as enemies of humanity.

        Conservative beliefs are humanity’s cancer.

        • @novibe@lemmy.mlEnglish
          5•1 year ago

          How the hell is that hate speech?Conservative is not a protected group. It’s not an inherent quality of a person, like being gay or black.

          It’s not hate speech to say conservatives are evil and their actions and beliefs actively harm the world. That’s just facts.

          • GodEnglish
            2•1 year ago

            Do you have to be protected for it to be hate speech? Lmao.

            It’s not an inherent quality of a person, like being gay or black.

            and hate speech is only for people’s inherent qualities?

            hate speech, speech or expression that denigrates a person or persons on the basis of (alleged) membership in a social group identified by attributes such as race, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, religion, age, physical or mental disability, and others.

            i’d say ideology falls right next to religion in the spook system of “things ppl believe about the world and can’t change on a whim because it’s part of their inherent dogmatic system of understanding”

            It’s not hate speech to say conservatives are evil and their actions and beliefs actively harm the world. That’s just facts.

            ah yes, “facts”, “evil”, absolute morality, moral dogma, they are “inherently evil”, that’s just moral absolutism and it’s as dumb as religious dogmatic beliefs of “the gays are bad” or “degenerates deserve to die”. You’re just fighting dumb dogmas with dumb dogmas.

            Do consider that they consider themselves not to be harming but protecting the world from those who they believe harm the world. Life is not black and white, “i’m right and you’re wrong”. There are many perspectives, and “harm” is subjective, the ideal state of how things should be is a hotly debated topic, and thinking that, because you think you’re “right”, your speech of hate toward a certain group of people defined by their beliefs is not “hate speech”, is just, in my opinion, not a very enlightened perspective.

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            • @novibe@lemmy.mlEnglish
              2•1 year ago

              I’m sorry but we’re past the point of “let’s all talk and understand our differences”. People have had enough time to understand reality. If they are still supporting transphobic, anti-communist, racist and fascists parties, organisations and individuals, they deserve nothing but to be publicly humiliated. I mean maybe not nothing…

              • GodEnglish
                3•1 year ago

                Thing is, you’re wrong.

                people have had enough time to understand reality

                There is no absolute moral right or wrong. If their understanding is different from yours, they simply have a different perspective. Sure, it is not compatible with yours, and you can decide to cut yourself off from them, and wage war against them, and even insult them, threaten them with death and execute them publicly if you want. None of that means that their belief system is not a belief system, or that their religious beliefs are not religious beliefs, or that the hate speech you will wield against them is not hate speech. It just means you deem it appropriate because your belief system dictates this, just as their belief system could dictate that they will do the same with you and those you protect. The fact that people justify it in their minds, throwing random moral facts and calling them true, doesn’t make hate speech not hate speech.