• Nobody said Rafah was safe. They said go south, it will be safer than the north.

    And Israel still warns people before airstrikes. They call them on the phone even

    • @neeshie@lemmy.world
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      45 months ago

      13,000 children are dead idk why ur still trying to do this. They bombed civilian targets, they have absolutely no excuse for that. Even if they are still warning people with phone calls, (which is doubtful considering that gaza doesn’t have super reliable electricity and connectivity, and most of the people in rafah aren’t from there so israel might not even know where they are) Israel still isn’t allowed to just blow up people’s houses without actual proof that the military importance of bombing said house outweighs the fact that it’s civilian infrastructure. Same with mosques.

      • They use the cell phone network to locate phones, then they send calls and texts. You can usually find recordings and screenshots after an airstrike.

        Of course, the media basically never reports on it.

        If there is a tunnel under the building, that’s not a civilian target.

        • @neeshie@lemmy.world
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          35 months ago

          Ok, I’ll be waiting here for evidence that there were tunnels being used by hamas under every single one of those homes, and that israel was using bunker busters to actually destroy them. But I don’t expect i’ll ever get that, because Israel consistently lies about this stuff and then just waits for people to forget it instead of backing up their claims.

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              35 months ago

              Israel does have to prove that they didn’t commit a horrifying war crime. Cmon.

              Also its ridiculous that you’re falling back on calling me antisemitic. If India did the same thing in Jammu and Kashmir, or Russia did it in Ukraine, I would also not believe any proof they presented until it was verified by a third party. That’s just basic critical thinking skills.

              • They don’t have to prove it to you, only to itself, maybe its allies. If there’s a valid military target and they take reasonable caution to minimize civilian casualties, it may still be horrifying but it’s literally not a war crime, and saying it is despite admitting that you don’t have the evidence doesn’t make it so.

                In my view, the IDF is way more credible than Hamas.

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                  15 months ago

                  Ok, can Russia also provide itself with evidence about Ukrainian forces being in civilian infrastructure to justify leveling an apartment?

                  • Is that what Russia claims when it does so? My recollection is that usually Russia offers no explanation or they deny their responsibility; they’ll say like, oh we were struck some military targets, but that apartment building was hit by Ukraine’s own missile defense system. Another difference is that Ukraine doesn’t have any sort of interconnected tunnel warfare system, let alone one that runs underneath every major city; it would be incredible to say that there were military tunnels under all these apartment buildings. Further, you can see from the Russian attacks that the missiles are frequently launched twenty or thirty at a time, and many of them don’t hit anything at all. Seems like it’s actually indiscriminate, intentional targeting of civilians: chiefly, I’m not aware of a single attempt by Russia to warn civilians before an airstrike, have seen zero screenshots and heard zero audio recordings of warnings. Ukraine is also credible when it says “there was no military target,” unlike Hamas, which incredibly denies everything. Again, if you throw a dart at a map of Gaza, you’re pretty much going to hit a tunnel: 400 miles of tunnels with 5,000 shafts in an area that is 25 miles wide at its widest point.

                • If there’s a valid military target and they take reasonable caution to minimize civilian casualties, it may still be horrifying but it’s literally not a war crime, and saying it is despite admitting that you don’t have the evidence doesn’t make it so.

                  Come on… grow out of this, please… they don’t minimize civilian casualties, and there is never a valid military target. Were all the dead babies in incubators a civilian casualty Israel tried to minimize by shooting all the doctors? Serious, get a fucking grip. And it doesn’t matter what links I’d send you because you’d either say they are (1) “just reports”; or (2) look terrible and bloody but are totally not a war crime because you trust the IDF more than your own braincells.

            • Israel doesn’t owe you anything.

              Do you have like some kind of personal investment with Israel? You got my head scratching… how can you be reasonable about anything else in life, but when it comes to Palestinians being butchered, you just claim they were “reports”?