You’re like the partner who, when their partner is in a fight, keeps grabbing their arm and saying STOP STOP STOP FIGHTING IS WRONG and ensuring that they’ll get the shit kicked out of them.
Biden’s fighting against the Republicans in Texas to improve our immigration policy, and it’s not to your liking how he’s doing it or how effective he’s being, so you’re going to give things over to the Republicans instead. Even if that means, yes, literal land mines and concentrations camps, or no election at all in 2028.
If it was just you being victimized by your dogshit logic, I wouldn’t care, but I have to live in this country too.
You’re like the partner who, when their partner is in a fight, keeps grabbing their arm and saying STOP STOP STOP FIGHTING IS WRONG and ensuring that they’ll get the shit kicked out of them.
No that’s how moderates treat leftists. Leftists actually have ideas that would take the wind out of the sails of the Republican party. Moderates say “No! Stop it! That’s too radical!” and elect a pro-corporate trash candidate in the primaries.
I feel like I just asked you this: Are you under the impression that I somehow have the ability to choose who wins the primaries?
I have one vote and you have one vote. My ability to affect the primaries is equal to yours. There are systems of media that conspire to make it tough for a person other than pro-corporate trash to win the primaries, but why are you talking to me like that’s my fault? And why are you saying that if the wrong person wins, then staying home to put in office an even worse person is going to help solve the problem?
Sorry, I guess at this point I’m trolling a bit lol. You’re too easy to wind up! Yes of course you have to vote for Biden, BUT… it has to be under protest. I think the best way to mobilize democratic voters (and it’s not so much people against Biden as people just too fed up to show up) is to tell them they can influence by protesting democrats into more popular opinions.
Because the democrats COULD totally push out more popular (left leaning) policies but they don’t wanna. For them it’s just a balance sheet of how much shit the people are willing to eat under threat of loosing democracy. There is a fight to be had about better and more popular policies. Like what is the plan for abortion, a federal law? It’s just crazy they are not campaigning on that.
I agree with a lot of this, yes. DC is a very weird place and most of our politicians are old as hell. I think a lot of them remember the lessons of George McGovern and Jimmy Carter a lot more clearly than they remember the lessons of Bernie Sanders. Plus, a lot of them are corrupted by the lure of corporate cash, and they turned their backs on the American people. It’s a hell of a shame. I agree.
Letting Trump get elected and pour gasoline all over the whole edifice and throw anyone who’s left of Ronald Reagan in a detention center won’t help any of that. That example of how much damage Trump was able to do to abortion rights and immigration because people couldn’t stand to vote for Hilary Clinton, just because she was objectively awful, is pretty illustrative of the calculus that should go into this election.
This logic of “the building we all live in needs major repairs and has for years, so there’s no need to put out the fire in the attic until we can address that” winds me up, yes. That’s absolutely true.
It’s not just about Trump, it’s about the one that comes after. Trump is a buffoon that is smart in some ways but overall too stupid to govern effectively. But I’m sure there are elements who are now casting someone who can activate people like Trump can, but is more self controlled or controllable.
Yes, Trump will absolutely threaten trans people’s safety in addition to being far more encouraging than Biden is with massacring Arabs. That’s not “using as a shield,” that’s just what’s up. Of course you already know this.
You’re like the partner who, when their partner is in a fight, keeps grabbing their arm and saying STOP STOP STOP FIGHTING IS WRONG and ensuring that they’ll get the shit kicked out of them.
Biden’s fighting against the Republicans in Texas to improve our immigration policy, and it’s not to your liking how he’s doing it or how effective he’s being, so you’re going to give things over to the Republicans instead. Even if that means, yes, literal land mines and concentrations camps, or no election at all in 2028.
If it was just you being victimized by your dogshit logic, I wouldn’t care, but I have to live in this country too.
No that’s how moderates treat leftists. Leftists actually have ideas that would take the wind out of the sails of the Republican party. Moderates say “No! Stop it! That’s too radical!” and elect a pro-corporate trash candidate in the primaries.
I feel like I just asked you this: Are you under the impression that I somehow have the ability to choose who wins the primaries?
I have one vote and you have one vote. My ability to affect the primaries is equal to yours. There are systems of media that conspire to make it tough for a person other than pro-corporate trash to win the primaries, but why are you talking to me like that’s my fault? And why are you saying that if the wrong person wins, then staying home to put in office an even worse person is going to help solve the problem?
Sorry, I guess at this point I’m trolling a bit lol. You’re too easy to wind up! Yes of course you have to vote for Biden, BUT… it has to be under protest. I think the best way to mobilize democratic voters (and it’s not so much people against Biden as people just too fed up to show up) is to tell them they can influence by protesting democrats into more popular opinions.
Because the democrats COULD totally push out more popular (left leaning) policies but they don’t wanna. For them it’s just a balance sheet of how much shit the people are willing to eat under threat of loosing democracy. There is a fight to be had about better and more popular policies. Like what is the plan for abortion, a federal law? It’s just crazy they are not campaigning on that.
I agree with a lot of this, yes. DC is a very weird place and most of our politicians are old as hell. I think a lot of them remember the lessons of George McGovern and Jimmy Carter a lot more clearly than they remember the lessons of Bernie Sanders. Plus, a lot of them are corrupted by the lure of corporate cash, and they turned their backs on the American people. It’s a hell of a shame. I agree.
Letting Trump get elected and pour gasoline all over the whole edifice and throw anyone who’s left of Ronald Reagan in a detention center won’t help any of that. That example of how much damage Trump was able to do to abortion rights and immigration because people couldn’t stand to vote for Hilary Clinton, just because she was objectively awful, is pretty illustrative of the calculus that should go into this election.
This logic of “the building we all live in needs major repairs and has for years, so there’s no need to put out the fire in the attic until we can address that” winds me up, yes. That’s absolutely true.
It’s not just about Trump, it’s about the one that comes after. Trump is a buffoon that is smart in some ways but overall too stupid to govern effectively. But I’m sure there are elements who are now casting someone who can activate people like Trump can, but is more self controlled or controllable.
Ironically I find myself in a similar, but much much worse discussion today (yes of course it’s hexbear).
Fun stuff.
Yes, Trump will absolutely threaten trans people’s safety in addition to being far more encouraging than Biden is with massacring Arabs. That’s not “using as a shield,” that’s just what’s up. Of course you already know this.