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“Will you vote for Biden in the 2024 election?” [Y/N]

  • Ekybio@lemmy.worldOP
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    9 months ago

    I dont need your hate. But Democracy needs your vote.

    Torch him for Palestine all you want, AFTER Trump is in the ground and the GOP crumbles.

    If you cant swallow your pride, then you deserve MAGAmerica.

    • givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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      9 months ago

      Don’t negotiate till you have zero leverage!

      Neoliberals sure are something else, you all should really help Americans and open car dealerships with those negotiating skills.

      • JaymesRS@literature.cafe
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        9 months ago

        If your idea of negotiation is the equivalent of drilling holes in the boat while we are all at sea, you are a terrible negotiator.

        • givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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          9 months ago

          The primary is the only time to drag Biden left, and even then it’s likely he ignores his campaign promises if elected.

          Telling people they can’t even do that, is just going to make them give up and become disengaged.

          Biden isn’t a strong enough candidate to do that, he barely beat trump last election. He had plenty of popular votes extra, but because the electoral college is a thing, if trump got like 30k more votes in 3 states, Trump would have won again. Biden needs every vote he can get.

          Pretending everything will be fine so we don’t have to do anything doesn’t work for climate change and it doesn’t work for elections.

          • JaymesRS@literature.cafe
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            9 months ago

            No one is pretending everything is fine, we are just in triage mode for democracy and are trying to save the patient first because the alternative is massively worse.

            • Krauerking@lemy.lol
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              9 months ago

              By slapping the patient and saying they need to lose weight before they treat their bullet wounds.
              Everything is mismatched responses and no one listens to anything but themselves and their echo chamber anymore.

              It’s not bad advice to vote for the obviously not fascist wannabe but it’s not gonna be the best advice when we can see his polling numbers are fucking atrocious, and the beatings aren’t getting those numbers back up. No one is just talking to the American people and asking what their symptoms are and building a plan from it. It’s all just assumed but no one seems to be actually on the same page.

            • givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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              9 months ago

              The difference is I’m talking about how to save American democracy…

              And you’re talking about how to trick people into voting for the oldest person to ever run for US President.

              Biden only has to be the candidate because the DNC says so. They’re not good at picking candidates if you haven’t noticed. Because they care more about donors and fancy fundraisers than getting votes.

              • JaymesRS@literature.cafe
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                9 months ago

                By making sure the one candidate that has the support of the most anti democratic forces is elected.

                Bold strategy, Cotton…

                • givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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                  9 months ago

                  If the only positive for a candidate is that he’s not the other candidate…

                  And polling is pointing toward an incredibly close race because of that…

                  Maybe you should also be helping ring the alarm bells while there’s still time to run literally anyone else so we don’t have to deal with four more years of trump?

                  Or are you just going to ignore all warnings and then act shocked and blame everyone with the common sense to warn you before it was too late?

                  I hope you make the one pick that would actually help our chances, but I’ll never hear what you picked.

          • TrickDacy@lemmy.world
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            9 months ago

            I love how your ilk just wipes away minor details like “discouraging voters from voting by lying and saying Biden and trump are similar is not only not destructive, it actually is good

            • givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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              9 months ago

              Please stop trying to make the democratic party as undemocratic as the republican party.

              It’s kind of our last option, and every election would be a slam dunk if we just ran an average candidate

        • aberrate_junior_beatnik@midwest.social
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          9 months ago

          Dunno, if I were on a boat with someone trying to sink it I’d probably be willing to give them some concessions. I might even be willing to try to stop a genocide that I have the power to stop, despite how crazy that sounds.

        • Krauerking@lemy.lol
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          9 months ago

          Make him primary to see what the American populace actually cares about again instead of him just guessing and only doing Diner sit downs.

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      9 months ago

      To be honest maybe America does deserve Trump. Biden is no where near as bad as Trump but maybe when your countries leadership boils down to choosing one keeping the status quo while genociding or the other being a fascists while genociding you don’t really deserve anything good.

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        9 months ago

        I’m sorry, are you saying that millions of people, including children, all deserve to suffer because their establishment sucks?

        • Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world
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          9 months ago

          We elect our establishment. We don’t live in a dictatorship. You can’t argue that we collectively aren’t somewhat responsible for who we put in office.

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            9 months ago

            We are, to a point. US election system is particularly bad in representation, what with gerrymandering and voters disenfranchising, but even if it wasn’t it’s callous to say people deserve to suffer because they don’t understand what they’re voting for.

            You’re speaking from a position of privilege.

            • Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world
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              9 months ago

              it’s callous to say people deserve to suffer because they don’t understand what they’re voting for.

              How? Will live in age were information is more freely available than in any other part of history. It’s your responsibility to be an informed voter. Ignorance isn’t an excuse to give your vote away.

              You’re speaking from a position of privilege.

              As Americans we all are. We don’t live in a monarchy or a military dictatorship. Everyone is screaming about how important this election is for democracy but democracy is how we got here. Every person who instituted policies that encouraged voter disenfranchising and gerrymandering was voted in. Those who decided not to challenge these policies and kept the status quo were voted in. Facism doesn’t happen overnight. In a lot of cases the populace genuinely asks for it

      • Julian@lemm.ee
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        9 months ago

        Nice take, you should tell it to the women who could die if there was a nationwide abortion ban, or maybe someone in the LGBT community that Trump wants to put in camps. I’m sure they’ll love to hear that they deserve it.