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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to Україна | Ukraine 🇺🇦@lemmy.ml · 3 years ago

Anatomy of a Coup: How CIA Front Laid Foundations for Ukraine War

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Anatomy of a Coup: How CIA Front Laid Foundations for Ukraine War

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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to Україна | Ukraine 🇺🇦@lemmy.ml · 3 years ago
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Obvious examples of Central Intelligence Agency covert action abroad are difficult to identify today, save for occasional acknowledged calamities, such as the long-running $1 billion effort to overthrow the government of Syria, via funding, training and arming barbarous jihadist groups.
  • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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    So, on some level you do understand that you’re getting used, and yet you still have some delusions that Ukraine will benefit from aligning with the west in the end. Amazing stuff there.

    Meanwhile, that 75% of yours isn’t exactly evenly distributed is it. Let’s just look at the election in 2004 went:

    this is the 2010 election:

    As we can clearly see from the voting patterns in both elections, the country is divided exactly across the current line of conflict. Furthermore, a survey conducted in 2015 further shows that there is a sharp division between people of eastern and western Ukraine on which economic bloc they would rather belong to:

    source https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4

    If Ukraine was united the way you pretend it is, then there wouldn’t have been any civil war after maidan in the first place for Russia to exploit.

    • ֆᎮ⊰◜◟⋎◞◝⊱ֆᎮ@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      Let’s do 2019.

      which I would post an image here but looks like my instances image upload is fubar again.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Ukrainian_presidential_election#/media/File:2019_Ukrainian_presidential_election,_round_2.svg

      Literally the further east you go the more people voted for Zelenskyy…

      • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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        Uh yeah, people preferred Zelensky to Poroshenko, no shit! The further east you go the more people voted for this https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/20/ukraines-leader-stood-on-platform-of-peace-but-finds-himself-on-brink-war

        When Volodymyr Zelenskiy sought to become Ukraine’s president he stood on a platform of peace. Zelenskiy promised to sit down with Vladimir Putin and to reach a deal with Russia. He would end the unpopular war in the east and concentrate on important domestic reforms. These included ridding the country of corruption and oligarchs.

        It’s hilarious how even mainstream western media clearly contradicts the narrative you keep trying to paint here.

        • ֆᎮ⊰◜◟⋎◞◝⊱ֆᎮ@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          Reading is hard and I guess so is following what you said.

          You were talking about him running is campaign to follow Minsk. I said he didn’t run anything on his campaign about Minsk and was in fact openly stating he wasn’t going to follow Minsk, but he did campaign on wanting peace with Russia.

          Comprehend now?

          • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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            Oh that’s weird, do explain this then

            The Minsk peace process, which has stopped: “It must be restarted. It is a war with Russia, so the talks should be with Russia. It must be in the diplomatic format, with the presence of Western partners. We will never sacrifice our people or our territories.“

            Seems like Minsk was very much on the table before revisionism started.

            • ֆᎮ⊰◜◟⋎◞◝⊱ֆᎮ@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              He was referring to a ceasefire and peace talks. There’s not quoted text of him outright calling Minsk and lots of quotes of him stating he’s not going to follow Minsk.

              • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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                Go ahead and show me quotes from him saying he won’t follow Minsk during his election campaign.

                • ֆᎮ⊰◜◟⋎◞◝⊱ֆᎮ@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                  I gave you three links that look critically point by point over his campaign election promises showing where he’s failed.

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                    I asked you to provide a quote from Zelensky during his campaign where he says he’s not going to implement Minsk.

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