A little admiration of how easy UI customization is on Firefox, and how shitty Chromium looks.

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    9 months ago

    I have no idea why people use #Chrome. #Firefox looks so much better,

    Reason n1: Firefox’s font rending sucks; Reasons n2: Chrome dev tools are better and way more supported by whatever ecosystem you develop in.

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      9 months ago

      Try these settings on Firefox in about:config

      gfx.font_rendering.cleartype_params.enhanced_contrast = 100
      gfx.font_rendering.cleartype_params.pixel_structure = 5
      gfx.font_rendering.cleartype_params.rendering_mode = 5
      gfx.font_rendering.fallback.always_use_cmaps = true

      I cannot use Firefox without them. They adjust the text rendering to be more… normal, I don’t understand why they aren’t default, but maybe things change at higher resolutions (but I don’t own a 2160p monitor to test).

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          I’ve accidentally fell into a Linux space, my bad! This will work on Windows, I’m not sure of alternatives on Linux, I gave up using it before I could play around with Firefox.

          Try looking for aliasing options under gfx.font_rendering and trying them out.

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            9 months ago

            Sooo you mean “Windows has horrible font rendering” ;D I think on KDE its fine, some say GNOME is better but idk.

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              No, Windows has good font rendering actually. It’s very much just a Firefox issue on Windows.

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                No offence, but I used to think Windows had good font rendering while I was using it. That was until I started using Linux distros. Now every time I boot into Windows, I again remember how awful Windows looks in comparison - washed out, pixelated, gives me eye strain…

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                  9 months ago

                  never in my years of using Linux have I ever thought that it was rendered clearer. let’s be honest with ourselves, no need to lie.

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                    It’s a function of PPI, hinting settings, font face, etc. The both of you can be correct in your own right…

                    Objectively there is a long history font rendering issues under linux though, so… eh.

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                  Linux’s looks more blurry to me, Window’s is much sharper. Maybe at different resolutions it changes though, you need less aliasing at higher res.

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                    I have the inverse - where Windows is so fine and pixelated it looks blurry. Linux is sharp and legible. It may be to do with with sub-pixel rendering. And this has been the case for across multiple computers and laptops, windows versions and Linux distros.

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                Strange, I always find it extremely ugly when using Win10 and I think Win11 has improved a lot but not entirely. Its so square-ish for some reason

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      9 months ago

      For frameworks treating Chromium as app development platform like Android. Firefox dev tools are much better for typical web development.

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        9 months ago

        Firefox dev tools are much better for typical web development.

        Not true, not even close. That was true like 15-20 years ago, but nowadays, especially when I’m debugging Angular (yes the extension for chrome is better) and developing stuff that will be used by people who go for Chrome.

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          9 months ago

          You say Angular. But what else can we expect for a framework for making WebKit/Chromium apps. Angular working in Firefox is an afterthought because it has very much similar featureset.

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            9 months ago

            I’ve to work with what I got :P Either way even if I was doing jQuery or Vue (like I did in the past) I wouldn’t ever use Firefox because even without the Angular extension, just plain JS/CSS debugging I like Chromium dev tools more.

            Besides the fact that my target users are always Chrome users and by using Firefox for development in the past I run into issues because specific features would work in Firefox but not on Chrome and vice-versa… or some piece of CSS rendered differently Chromium offers a level of polishness on small details that Firefox wasn’t ever close to. Firefox’s dev tools are always playing catch-up time to Chromium’s, that’s what I see.

            Maybe I’m biased like you seem to be, but in the opposite way :P

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      Chrome dev tools are better and way more supported by whatever ecosystem you develop in.

      But what if you’re not a web dev?

      • TCB13@lemmy.world
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        9 months ago

        That’s fair, but I still wouldn’t trade the amazing font rendering that chromium offers.

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      9 months ago

      Chrome dev tools are better for JS debugging, but Firefox wins with everything else, IMO. Especially their flexbox, grid and font visualizations and debug tools are amazing.