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    So don’t put the blame on the voters if the DNC can’t put up a candidate the voters actually want to vote for. It’s the voters job to pick who they want to vote for, it’s not the voters job to vote for whomever the DNC tells them to vote for. You have the burden of responsibility backward.

    So let me get this straight: it’s the DNC’s responsibility to make sure that the winner of the primary DOESN’T get the nomination, because the voters don’t want him, despite having voted for him?

    Believe it or not, most people aren’t interested in another candidate. “Generic Democrat Who I Can Project All My Views On” outperforms Biden, but no one who is actually running does.

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      DNC actively subverted the primary process this year, so no, the results of this election are 100% on Biden (and his unappealing candidacy).

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          No, actually I remember Biden fumbling right out of the gate by not even doing the minimum to register in NH.

          I also remember his admin working with the DNC to contact state committees asking them to cancel primaries outright, which several did. Very cool, very democratic.

          For that matter, Biden also seemed content to nap in his bunker instead of engage with other primary candidates to promote his ideas. He seems to be leaning quite heavily on the strategy of “not trump” will be enough for him. Pretty irrespinsible if you ask me, considering his claims of democracy being on the line. Why can’t Biden make his case?

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      So let me get this straight: it’s the DNC’s responsibility to make sure that the winner of the primary DOESN’T get the nomination, because the voters don’t want him, despite having voted for him?

      It’s the DNC’s responsibility to put pressure on the candidate that wasn’t sure if they were going to run to not run because the polls showed him getting beat. It’s also their responsibility to not change the primaries to heavily favor one candidate like making South Carolina (the place where Biden’s luck in 2019 changed) the first official primary.

      but no one who is actually running does.

      And that is also the DNC’s problem. They didn’t put forth a viable candidate in the primaries despite all the polling suggesting they should.

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        It’s the DNS’s responsibility to put pressure on the candidate that wasn’t sure if they were going to run to not run because the polls showed him getting beat.

        So now it is the DNC’s responsibility to put pressure on the scales to change the candidate…

        It’s also their responsibility to not change the primaries to heavily favor one candidate like making South Carolina (the place where Biden’s luck in 2019 changed) the first official primary.

        … except when it’s not? Very coherent, 10/10 worldview.

        And that is also the DNC’s problem. They didn’t put forth a viable candidate in the primaries despite all the polling suggesting they should.

        “They didn’t put forth”

        Tell me you don’t understand primaries without telling me you don’t understand primaries. Not to mention that explicitly contradicts your previous point about not wanting the DNC to pick the candidates. Jesus fucking Christ. We’re done here.

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          Here let me point out the parts you seemed to have missed:

          not run because the polls showed him getting beat.

          not change the primaries to heavily favor one candidate

          despite all the polling suggesting they should

          The polls showed they shouldn’t favor the candidate they did. They chose against what was obvious instead of encouraging others to run they picked their favored candidate before it even started.

          “They didn’t put forth”

          You’re right, the wording there isn’t correct. It should be that they didn’t encourage others to run.

          We’re done here.

          Unfortunately it appears the voters are thinking the same thing. That’s why it’s the party’s responsibility field the best candidate.

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              Yeah, that’s what I would expect from someone who expects voters to toe the line for the party instead of blaming the party for a bad candidate. Do as you say or be ignored right?