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    Yes, I remember the super delegates that they got rid of because they were used to tip the scales and the DNC giving Hillary the debate questions before the debates so she could be extra prepared.

    Also a 2016 and 2020 Bernie voter and donor.

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      Yes, I remember the super delegates that they got rid of because they were used to tip the scales

      Clearly you don’t remember, since Hillary won the greater number of elected delegates, and the ‘Super Delegates’ only ended up relevant as a Hail Mary pass for the Bernie campaign.

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        Clearly you don’t remember, since Hillary won the greater number of elected delegates, and the ‘Super Delegates’ only ended up relevant as a Hail Mary pass for the Bernie campaign.

        You’re the one not remembering… The super delegates were all called extremely early in the race for Hilary in an attempt to make it look like Bernie was so far behind he could never catch up.

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          And he didn’t.

          You’re ready to hand over the USA to christofascists because Bernie was a worse campaigner than Hillary. That’s pathetic, you sore loser.

          I say this as someone who donated over $1000 to Bernie in 2016.

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            I say this as someone who donated over $1000 to Bernie in 2016.

            Thank you for covering my poor 25$ donating ass in 2016 o7

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            You’re ready to hand over the USA to christofascists

            I have never once said that. I have said the opposite several times.

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          Isn’t it weird to you that not even Bernie says or thinks this?

          That Bernie continues to work with the very folks you refuse to vote for? Almost like it’s not an issue to the very person it should be…

          Almost like you’ve got it wrong and even Bernie has moved on to do more for your political views by collaborating WITH the very dems you refuse to support.

          Bernie and people like him are accomplishing more for your political goals by working WITH the DNC. Accomplishing more than you will ever accomplish with your sanctimonious BS pretending like the DNC made you a victim.

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            folks you refuse to vote for?

            I never said that… I’ve said the opposite. Now you’re arguing against points I never said or made.

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              Sorry someone else in the same thread, making the same points as you, claimed it was their civic duty to not vote. Suppose with all the complaining about non-issues / cutting-noses-to-spite-faces going on, must have gotten confused. You really do not sound like someone advocating FOR voting dem. You must be that easily confusable for others advocating against…

              By all means keep going on about false superdelegate shit, and how the DNC is everyone’s real problem because you mean to help so much.

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                It was me. I said I was honoring my civic duty by abstaining. You’re so mad about it that you didn’t bother checking who you’re replying to.

                Well, I’m mad too.

                What am I supposed to do about it? I keep getting told that if I just bite the bullet (again) and vote the way you tell me (again) then things will get better.

                So I do.

                And they don’t. Not for me.

                I watch everyone’s boats rise, but I still have the same holes in mine and nobody is tossing me the supplies that I clearly don’t have to fix it even though I did what you told me. Good for you all. Really.

                But after this many times, why do it again?

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                  I was using it as a point that you both sound the same. I’m not mad, just annoyed with the lazy mindset and victim complex. Stop whining about it.

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                and how the DNC is everyone’s real problem

                I didn’t say that either. I’ve simply said that if Biden loses, it’s not the fault of the voters, but it’s the fault of the party and the candidate for not earning enough voters to win.

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                  It’s a self fulfilling prophecy and you’re certainly doing your part. Cause the voters can’t be blamed for thinking the very things this thread repeats over and over.

                  It’s up to [DNC] to field a candidate that people want to vote for

                  EXCEPT THEY DID AND HE ALREADY BEAT TRUMP ONCE. People do want to vote for Biden but here you are painting the whole party as bad because of polls that have been off for years.

                  All based on polling that also said we’d have a red wave in 2020… So while Biden out fundraises 5:1, while democrats keep winning special elections in red states, while republicans get worse and worse you’re constantly saying “dem party is bad, it’s not the voters fault” and trying very hard to paint a picture of how bad Biden is. Like I said it’s hard to tell you apart from the guy saying don’t vote.

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                    EXCEPT THEY DID AND HE ALREADY BEAT TRUMP ONCE

                    And what does that have to do with this election? Biden won when voters were fed up with Trump’s poor handling of COVID-19. Those were very different times.

                    you are painting the whole party as bad

                    Except I’m not.

                    you’re constantly saying “dem party is bad, it’s not the voters fault”

                    Again, I’m not saying that.

                    trying very hard to paint a picture of how bad Biden is

                    Again I’m not

                    Like I said it’s hard to tell you apart from the guy saying don’t vote.

                    Because you’re not reading what I’ve written and have built some weird strawman in place of it. I have very clearly said that I will vote for Biden, but if Biden loses it is the party’s fault for not having a good enough candidate. Pay attention to the words in that last sentence, specifically the if. I have not said he will lose or that I want him to lose.

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          You need a lesson. The DNC conspired against Bernie Sanders the moment it was clear he was a threat to Hillary and did it so goddamned hard that there was a lawsuit about it.

          A lawsuit that ended with the defense: “The DNC is a private entity so we’re allowed to do whatever we want.”

          https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774/

          https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/24/clinton-campaign-blames-russia-wikileaks-sanders-dnc-emails

          Please explain why they deserve to continue existing.

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            I don’t think you replied to the right person. I would argue against any of this. In fact I brought up points that support what you’re saying here.