• CileTheSane@lemmy.ca
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        If I call myself a Scotsman, despite not meeting the definition of a Scotsman (never been to Scotland, have no Scottish heritage) then it would be fair to call me not a “True Scotsman.”

        If the definition of “Christian” is “someone who follows the teachings of Jesus” then someone who spreads hate does not meet that definition.

        If the definition of “Christian” is “anyone who calls themselves a Christian” then the definition is so broad it is useless as a descriptor. It includes someone who is loving and caring, and someone who abuses and murders anyone they disagree with. It tells you nothing about the individual or how they behave.

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          If the definition of “Christian” is “someone who follows the teachings of Jesus”

          If that’s your definition then there are no Christians.

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            If that’s your definition then there are no Christians.

            Ok, so you’re going with the word is useless as a descriptor.

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              No, I’m saying that christians are people who claim to be christian.

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                No, I’m saying that christians are people who claim to be christian.

                As I said, useless as a descriptor. By that definition the word “Christian” includes someone who donates time to charities, as well as someone who spreads hate about immigrants, wants them sent back to their own countries, and wants to bomb those countries.

                The word “Christian” could be applied to a person that wants to take away a woman’s right to medical care, and to a person that is pro-choice.

                Hell, the word “Christian” could apply to someone who has never set foot inside a church, has never seen a Bible, and has no idea what’s even in it, as long as they “claim they are a Christian.”

                By that definition if I tell you someone is a Christian it doesn’t tell you if that person loves Trans people or hates them. As I said, a useless descriptor.

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          Incredibly convenient thing for “polite Christians” (read: enablers) to say while the overwhelmingly powerful structure borne of their freely given money, time, and prejudices ruins the country.

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        Why is this getting upvoted? OP is using irony. The No True Scotsman fallacy requires refuting a counterexample as well as “The modification is signalled by the use of non-substantive rhetoric such as “true”, “pure”, “genuine”, “authentic”, “real”, etc.” Check out the “Occurrence” section.

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          Why is this getting upvoted?

          Because there are people who really don’t like how right wing conservative Christians behave, but also for some reason hate when other Christians agree that the behaviour is unacceptable and call them out on it.

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            You’re not calling out shit. You’re refusing any responsibility by claiming they’re not even really Christian. They are, and until you admit that, nobody gives a fuck about your claims to the contrary. Christians can be shit, that doesn’t make them not Christian you absolute dingus. If you’d actually read the Bible you’d know that slavery and homophobia and sexism are as fundamentally Christian as any love thy neighbor shit

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              Republicans: Act in hateful ways

              Guy: “That behavior is contrary to the book you claim to follow”

              Everyone: cheers

              Christian: “I agree!”

              You: “nO tRuE sCoTsMaN!!!1!”

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                ???

                You suck at telling stories like this lmao, you’re the one no true scotsmaning shitty Christians to try and avoid any flak for being associated with them. Legit this comment is utterly incomprehensible, tf is your point? Who’s guy? Who’s everyone? I assure you far from everyone thinks that republicans aren’t real Christians

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                  Let me simplify it for you:

                  The argument that everyone who claims to be a Christian is a Christian, and also every Christian belongs to the same group and is responsible for the actions of everyone who claims to be a Christian, is patently absurd.

                  You can have two people with wildly different beliefs, but if they both use the label Christian somehow they are both responsible for the actions of each other.

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                    Those people also call themselves Christian tho, and probably call you a fake Christian. That’s a big thing in Christianity, insisting that your brand of it is the only valid one. Yall are silly as hell, admit that there are shitty christians or accept that we don’t give a shit about your half ass condemnations of shitty christians

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        Never fails, Christians (ostensibly “”““real””“” ones lol) always go to this, such a convenient out for rancid, unserious, responsibility denying dingdongs

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      • Attend Churches where pastors and preachers proselytize about anything “Sinful”
      • Call themselves Christian proudly
      • Wears crosses
      • Says its forbidden by God to do something that the Bible says is bad
      • Uses the words of Saint Paul to expand on those words

      Damn that sounds like they are Christian, but you know, I guess they’re “not true Christians” because they happen to do everything on Saturday instead of Sunday, or don’t wash the feet of the poor, or something else that caused a schism 200 years ago.

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        Weird. None of that actually mentions Jeeeeeeesus or the things he supposedly said and did.

        Weird how all the hate comes from things the apparent Son of God didn’t do, but they chose to believe in those things instead.

        It’s like they’re hypocrites. False shepards.

        Fake Christians.

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          This staunch denial of any responsibility for other shitty Christians is why nobody likes or respects you. Do something about other hateful Christians, don’t just fucking deny that they exist. Pathetic

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              Oh, so you’re just a troll who wants to piss everyone off. You were kinda doing an OK job, but now it’s way too obvious. I hope this shit gets tired for you some day💖

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                Sure bro. Because there aren’t atheists who have noticed the discrepancy between the messaging in the Gospel, the rest of the Bible, and what parts bigots love to point to and what they love to ignore, and they can’t possibly think some kinds of theists are worse than others

                Ya clown.

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        Jesus: Love thy neighbour

        These people: act in ways that is the opposite of loving their neighbour

        Sure as fuck sounds like they aren’t following the teaching of Jesus. Going to a church doesn’t make someone a Christian any more than going to my garage makes me a mechanic.