I get why people want open source running on open hardware. However, my point is that the code for HarmonyOS is perfectly usable for that. So, again, I fail to see what the problem with supporting the development of an open source mobile operating system that could be used on open hardware, once it exists, in the future. The thing you’re describing doesn’t really exist right now, aside from some very niche Linux phone projects that can’t be used as daily drivers by most people.
Sometimes I feel like people who get too much into open source ideology start missing the forest for the trees.
nah. completely open hardware is still a pipe dream, i’m not disputing this. i guess i’m demoting the meaning of “open” in a way here. i’ll repeat myself here to make it clear:
this is a sliver of what is made possible by hardware freedom.
i gave a couple of real world examples of the thing i’m describing too, and some use cases we directly benefit from, so it exists because i’m literally holding it in my hand right now. open source software on open enough hardware is already a thing and i see no reason i should cheer for a backslide from this while i can get an us-branded device unlocked.
open hardware schematics used to be ubiquitous with no real disadvantage, now we rely on leaks so we don’t just chuck a perfectly good expensive item in the trash, and while huawei follows this western trend of throwaway hardware at the expense of mounting garbage piles and difficult financial situations to replace them, theres not a single reason any of us should be happy with it. and then theres the other wasteful practice of spending an inhuman amount of resources putting a cutting-edge really powerful chip on a device that can’t be used as such because the manufacturer doesn’t want you to. again, Apple-level antics here.
the worst part about it is that huawei did all of this better than most of the planet before and decided to stop it!!! fucking hell, other chinese manufacturers still do it right!! why make it worse??
I agree with that, there’s a lot more to be done to get to truly open stacks, and it is unfortunate Huawei decided to make their stuff less open. I’m just pointing out that there is still value in open stuff they do publish.
I get why people want open source running on open hardware. However, my point is that the code for HarmonyOS is perfectly usable for that. So, again, I fail to see what the problem with supporting the development of an open source mobile operating system that could be used on open hardware, once it exists, in the future. The thing you’re describing doesn’t really exist right now, aside from some very niche Linux phone projects that can’t be used as daily drivers by most people.
Sometimes I feel like people who get too much into open source ideology start missing the forest for the trees.
nah. completely open hardware is still a pipe dream, i’m not disputing this. i guess i’m demoting the meaning of “open” in a way here. i’ll repeat myself here to make it clear:
i gave a couple of real world examples of the thing i’m describing too, and some use cases we directly benefit from, so it exists because i’m literally holding it in my hand right now. open source software on open enough hardware is already a thing and i see no reason i should cheer for a backslide from this while i can get an us-branded device unlocked.
open hardware schematics used to be ubiquitous with no real disadvantage, now we rely on leaks so we don’t just chuck a perfectly good expensive item in the trash, and while huawei follows this western trend of throwaway hardware at the expense of mounting garbage piles and difficult financial situations to replace them, theres not a single reason any of us should be happy with it. and then theres the other wasteful practice of spending an inhuman amount of resources putting a cutting-edge really powerful chip on a device that can’t be used as such because the manufacturer doesn’t want you to. again, Apple-level antics here.
the worst part about it is that huawei did all of this better than most of the planet before and decided to stop it!!! fucking hell, other chinese manufacturers still do it right!! why make it worse??
I agree with that, there’s a lot more to be done to get to truly open stacks, and it is unfortunate Huawei decided to make their stuff less open. I’m just pointing out that there is still value in open stuff they do publish.
there is! there is always value in open source code made by professionals, always something we can learn or use. but its half the equation.
I agree, fully open hardware and software stack is a laudable goal that we should continue to strive for.