Following the announcement by beehaw admins to defederate from lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works, there has been many posts and messages regarding that decisions and what other instances will do.

I personally believe Lemmy/kbin can only thrive if there is a free flow of content between different instances, with instance admins taking a back seat and focusing more on the infrastructure and making sure the technical bugs are smoothened out. Community mods can moderate their communities, and users can block the communities they don’t find appealing (there’s even a toggle in settings to hide every NSFW post from your feed altogether).

We don’t want to create walled gardens, nor do we want to make Lemmy more confusing than it already is for new users. We will not be defederating from any instance if there is even one good community on it that our instance users might find useful. So far we have only blocked lemmygrad.ml, and right now we have no plans to block anyone else.

  • dreadgoat@kbin.social
    20·
    2 years ago

    It’s important to choose your home wisely.

    I have an account here on kbin.social, but I also wanted a dedicated lemmy account. I chose fmhy because it aligns with what I want: hearing every voice, for better or for worse. I considered beehaw due to their large gaming community, but I read about their philosophy and saw that they were trying to create more of a safe space for their users (suspicion recently confirmed). If someone wants a more positive experience without having to worry about trolling and harassment, beehaw would be the better choice. I am personally fine with treading through sludge to find hidden gems, so I made my own choice.

    Bear in mind that defederation isn’t bidirectional. If beehaw decides to defederate fmhy, I don’t care, I can still see gaming@beehaw and interact with users that live on instances still federated with my own. But the beehaw users are safe from from troll-friendly hosts, so everybody wins. This isn’t true, as pointed out by zinklog. It can still be worked around by having accounts in multiple places, but even with the eventual account migration feature, this makes it impossible for anyone to see everything in any one place. Maybe this can be fixed in the future, as the fediverse continues to develop?

    To directly map it to the example of your friend, if she chose to live on an instance more like beehaw, she would still be able to interact with the federated community at large, but be better shielded. If someone tried to throw slurs at her from an instance with a lower standard, she wouldn’t see it at all, and the person delivering the slurs likely wouldn’t even realize it.

    • zinklog@lemmy.fmhy.mlOPM
      10·
      2 years ago

      Correct me if I’m wrong but it’s my understanding that defederation is in fact bidirectional. lemmy.world can’t see new posts from beehaw after the announcement.

      Comment based on this post

      • dreadgoat@kbin.social
        2·
        2 years ago

        You’re right, I’m operating on a flawed understanding of how ActivityPub functions. I was uncertain the post, but the examples comment really makes it clear what the concrete consequences are of defederation. I will edit my post, thanks!

      • dreadgoat@kbin.social
        4·
        2 years ago

        Beehaw recently defederated from lemmy.world, one of the largest instances. Their position is that they want to maintain a hand-curated safe space for their users, whereas lemmy.world is open to all.

      • dreadgoat@kbin.social
        2·
        2 years ago

        unfortunately I was wrong, check my edited comment… but I do hope it can work this way in the future. There is no technical reason why a publisher needs to block its subscribers.