Hello, fellow lemmings!

I have a few quick updates about lemm.ee. If you don’t want to read a wall of text, then the key points are summarized here for you:

  • There is a Lemmy upgrade (0.18) on the horizon, executing this upgrade will require downtime for lemm.ee
  • I have made some improvements to our infrastructure in order to reduce those pesky 404 errors that some users have been seeing
  • It’s already looking like ~15% of our infrastructure bill for this month is going to be covered by community funding. A huge thanks to all financial supporters of lemm.ee! It’s extremely heartwarming to see that people believe in this platform and are willing to share the costs with me.

Upcoming 0.18 upgrade

With the next version of Lemmy nearing completion, I am starting to plan the upgrade for lemm.ee.

With the 0.17.3 -> 0.17.4 upgrade, I was able to keep lemm.ee online during the upgrade with no downtime. That’s how I would prefer to do all upgrades in the future as well, but unfortunately, there are some fundamentally incompatible changes in 0.18. This means that running a mix of 0.17.4 and 0.18 servers in our infrastructure at the same time will not work - effectively meaning that we can only execute this upgrade with some downtime.

In order to keep surprises to a minimum, I am planning to create a post with a title like “When this post is 1h old, the server will go down for an upgrade”. Once 1h has passed from that post, you will be unable to access lemm.ee until the upgrade completes. If everything goes smoothly, then total expected downtime will be around 15 minutes, but in case of any issues, it could be slightly longer!

It’s not clear yet when 0.18 will be fully ready, but if everything goes well, then this could already happen as early as next week. I will keep you all posted!

Why do we even want 0.18?

There are some very important optimizations landing in 0.18, which should help make the Lemmy UI feel considerably snappier and at the same time give the backend servers some much-needed breathing room. This should help take a lot of pressure of the federated network as a whole, and is a good first step towards scaling further.

Additionally, there are some key fixes that AFAIK will all land in 0.18, such as:

  • Additional posts will no longer automatically appear in your feeds while you’re scrolling
  • You should stop getting redirected onto a completely different post when opening other posts in other tabs
  • The front page will stop showing stale posts for all instances (lemm.ee users will have been enjoying this patch since yesterday already, as I am the author of the patch and decided to apply it early here 😃)

All in all, 0.18 is looking like a great upgrade, so I’m personally looking forward to it.

Random 404 errors

Several users have been experiencing errors on lemm.ee (and similarly on other instances) where some page loads will fail with a white page and a 404 error.

I have spent some time debugging and attempting to mitigate this issue today. I have identified the root cause (spikes in database load related to the amount of new posts in the federated network for every 5 minute interval), and after some database tuning, I have managed to significantly mitigate this issue. Previously, this issue was appearing for about ~6000 page loads every hour. In the hour following my changes, this error only appeared for roughly ~596 page loads! It’s still not 0, so I will continue to try and improve this, but we are starting to brush up against the limits of what our current database infra can manage.

In the longer term, we will seriously benefit from any Lemmy optimizations - I am hopeful that even 0.18 will start bringing down the load on our servers. Additionally, we have a lot of room to upgrade our database infrastructure, but of course this would mean increasing the budget, which I’m not in a position to do for now. This segues us nicely into the third and final topic I wanted to cover:

Server costs

As of today, our infrastructure has scaled up to the point where my own budget will allow. To be more specific, I am able to keep the servers running as is indefinitely, but I am not able to make any further upgrades to our servers out of my own pocket.

Thankfully, we have some extremely kind members in our community, who have already decided to begin supporting lemm.ee and thus ensuring that every single one of us can enjoy a well functioning platform and potential further upgrades down the line! As of today, we have 4 supporters who have signed up for monthly (!!) contributions on my GitHub sponsors as well as one supporter who has donated money through my Ko-Fi page. I want to seriously thank each of you! I am personally super excited about Lemmy as a network, and specifically lemm.ee as an instance, so I’m truly happy to see that others share this excitement and are willing to join me in funding all this.

Pinning updates on the front page

Finally, I am looking for some feedback on how you feel about update posts such as this being pinned to the top of your lemm.ee front page.

My current plan is to pin this post on the front page for the next ~24 hours, after that, I will unpin it, but you will still be able to find it in !meta@lemm.ee.

I have seen some comments complaining about too many pinned posts, so alternatively, I could start pinning the latest site update post to the top of the !meta community, and avoid pinning it to the front page altogether.

If you have thoughts about this (or anything else I have mentioned), please comment below!

  • sunaurus@lemm.eeOPMEnglish
    3·
    1 year ago

    This is where our load balancer comes in. All requests go through the load balancer, and this load balancer will try to evenly distribute the requests to all of our backend servers.

    Is this distributed feature a part of lemmy … ?

    In fact it’s the opposite - Lemmy has so far had some assumptions built in to the code which make it quite hard to run on multiple servers. I have made some modifications in order to improve this (and contributed those modifications back to the main repo as well). It’s one of the things I want to keep improving as we grow.

    • xavier666@lemm.eeEnglish
      0·
      1 year ago

      Here is my oversimplified understanding of the backend of lemm.ee This

      Am I correct? Or is there another loadbalancer in front of the DB?

      Sorry for asking so many questions, but I’m new to system design and trying to learn about practical deployments.

      • sunaurus@lemm.eeOPMEnglish
        2·
        1 year ago

        That’s pretty close, but there are some nuances.

        1. One of the servers is currently exclusively dedicated to handling images (processing, indexing, resizing, uploading to object storage)
        2. One of the servers is only handling Lemmy HTTP requests
        3. One of the servers is handling Lemmy HTTP requests + at the same time also handling Lemmy background tasks (different cleanups, updating the front page rankings, etc)

        Additionally, we are not using Docker at all for lemm.ee. Not that I have anything against Docker - I use it regularly in other projects - it just wouldn’t provide any advantages for lemm.ee at the moment.

        • xavier666@lemm.eeEnglish
          1·
          1 year ago

          Thanks for the clarifications. I now understand the architecture of lemm.ee.

          However, by the way you have horizontally scaled things, it had to be done manually. You basically tried to decouple different lemmy functionalities and put them in different servers. It’s not as simple as setting a simple env variable as the number of servers.

          Also, with this approach i feel like it’s possible some servers will be loaded more than others. Eg, server 1 which handles images will be more CPU/RAM-heavy, where as server 2 which handles HTTP requests will be mostly network-heavy. So there will be cases where the scaling is not unform.

          Please don’t consider this as criticism (i personally just play around with my raspberry pi) but rather as observations.